AwakenedAce

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[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I completely switched to Mastodon and here, I'd rather not use platforms that are locked down by corporations and will inevitably enshittify without leaving me a simple way to migrate

Yeah, you subscribe to hashtags to start, find people you agree with/find interesting, follow them, and then as they boost stuff you'll find more and more people to follow.

but what if this comment radicalizes men!?! I think you probably should add at least 10x more "not all men" disclaimers than actual text just to make sure not to push them into advocating against basic human rights /s

Thank you as well, have a good weekend!

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Thanks for the clarification, I'd rather not get something wrong because of a misunderstanding.

I definitely agree with you, it seems logical that the 4B movement would become more popular in the areas where there are bigger threats to the autonomy and safety of women, self-preservation (and solidarity for that matter) is an extremely important factor.

That said, I do understand why there is a call for "all" women to participate. Having more women participating across a country seems like it would increase resistance of some members of the national/federal government to stripping away more rights away from women. It's quite a complicated subject.

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Thank you, I hadn't thought about that, you're right.

Would you say then that that form of punishment only affects someone who believes they are entitled to something they typically get? (I can't see how it would affect someone that doesn't get something, and I don't see how it would affect someone that doesn't feel entitled to it)

Then, in opposition of what I said, I do agree it would punish a subset of entitled men. I will add an edit to what I said if I've understood this correctly.

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Okay cool. So if we agree that individuals are not obligated to date men, then it follows that choosing not to do so is not a punishment towards men. A punishment requires a penalty or deprivation, and since dating is not a requirement, there can be no deprivation occurring.

This movement was not created to punish some men who feel entitled to a relationship, it's (primarily) to advocate for their rights and against the expectations they are subject to.


It has been pointed out to me that it might constitute a punishment for a subset of entitled men so this is not entirely accurate. That said, I would still say it is unjustified to frame this as a punishment of all men, especially considering that subset of entitled men likely constitutes of the very people in favor of removing rights from women.

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

They're not obligated to date men though, if they want to participate in 4B then I don't see what's wrong with that. They are allowed to assert their bodily autonomy, it's a form of protest against how they are treated

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The 4B movement in South Korea is meant to oppose their patriarchal state because they don't want to be viewed as reproductive tools.

On the other hand the movement you're talking about is meant to "protect" against feminism and oppose a supposed bias against men in society, which is ludicrous when you consider that women are discriminated against much much more to the point it's not even comparable. It's just a misogynistic movement.

So no, this isn't hypocrisy, these are very different.

Now, if men made a movement to protest gendered expectations or real problems without jumping through a thousand hoops to blame feminism, and without its logic being based in misogyny, I think that would be better received.

The way I understand it is that they can relicense it and then publish it if they want, but the GPL would still fully apply to the previous versions.

The first question you cited seems to refer to any different organisation/individual making changes to the source code. And the second seems to refer to revoking the GPL for an already released version, which they would of course not be allowed to do.

This would make sense as ownership of the copyright would supersede a license.