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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Nokinori@pawb.social to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

I currently use Windows 10 and I’d like to try out Linux. My plan is to set up a dual boot with OpenSUSE tumbleweed and KDE Plasma. I’ve read so many different opinions about choosing a distro, compatibility with gaming and Nvidia drivers, and personal issues with the ethos of different companies like Canonical. I value privacy and I’d rather avoid a Linux distro that’s implementing something like ads or telemetry…if that’s even a thing that’s happening?

As a complete beginner, what sort of advice would you all have for me? Should I avoid OpenSUSE or KDE Plasma for some reason? Are there any ‘10 things to do first when installing Linux for the first time’ recommendations?

Despite all the ‘beginner friendly’ guides and tutorials around, I still feel a little lost and like I’m going into this blind.

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who's offered advice, I really appreciate all the help and the patience with my dumb questions! There's a lot to look through and it's been a busy day for me, but I'll get back to reading through everything and replying as soon as I can!

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

My big question would be why are you starting with a dual boot? I would recommend trying each one with a liveUSB or in a virtual machine and simply do a single boot with the one you like better. There’s likely little need for you to actually maintain two distros unless you have a very niche use case that one distro can’t solve.

My advice would be to just relax and realize that the underlying OS is 90% the same regardless of what distro you choose. All the discussion you see on different distros, package managers, snaps, wayland, etc. are all the other 10%. It really doesn’t matter what distro you start on as long as it’s a general purpose distro (both of the ones in your OP are): once you learn the first 90% of linux, you’ll develop your own tastes, and then you’ll be able to decide on the remaining 10%.

[–] Nokinori@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I want to maintain my Windows 10 install for now as a sort of fallback. I have a lot of random software installed for my university classes, and I don’t know about all the compatibility issues I might face with those. And letting it sit there in the background in case I need it for something feels safer than jumping head first into a new OS.

Trying out liveUSB or VM stuff seemed like it would be an extra hurdle in transitioning to Linux. Like, I want to get settled in and actually use it as a daily thing, not just browse the internet a bit here and there. If I don’t like the distro I choose, I can always just install another one, right?

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago

You can indeed always install another distro. You can also run many distros in "live cd" mode, just boot from the install media and choose the live option without installing. It's actually a great way to see if a distro will play nice with your hardware and LAN and peripherals out of the box.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

A live USB would let you play around in a desktop environment for a bit to see if you like it before jumping in the deep end with it. But if you've already tried out KDE plasma and know you'll like it, then you're probably fine. I agree that you won't become familiar with a full distro without data persistence and repeated use.

Maybe at least live boot gnome if you haven't tried that one yet. Gnome and KDE are the most fully featured desktop environments, so they're natural choices for users coming from win/mac.

Yeah, you can always install another, but if you are going to do that every day or two before settling on one, maybe consider installing virtual box and trying out the distros like that first. Of course, if you're in a VM, it can be a challenge to get proper hardware acceleration if you're going to try out gaming.

At the end of the day, I think dual booting is a good idea, as long as you only use windows when it's your only option. That's what I do. It's easy enough to reboot if I need to play a game or use a windows specific app. More consistent than dealing with QEMU or something.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, my misunderstanding, I thought you wanted to dual boot OpenSuse and KDE Plasma. Dual booting Windows 10 and one of those makes way more sense, especially if you have niche university software that was probably written 20 years ago for Windows XP service pack 2, is already barely compatible with Windows 10, and almost certainly never had a linux version. You definitely don’t want to gamble on abandoning Windows completely until after you graduate.

And yes, once you get comfortable installing a distro, it gets pretty easy to just install a new one.

[–] WildlyCanadian@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Plasma is the desktop environment he wants on Tumbleweed. Neon is the KDE distro. I thought it was pretty clear he wanted to dual boot Windows tbh

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Oh goodness I have no idea where my brain was.

Mooby gives good advice! I tried out different distros in vm's for 6 months after which I found myself very familiar and living in one more than my base os. At that point I nuked macos and installed Kubuntu no regrets. Kubuntu is a great start due to the popular Ubuntu base. Kinoite would be a good choice for its immutability. If set on Opensuse then choose Gecko as a more friendly way to install it.

[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Keep notes on what you do including outcomes. You can always reinstall, skip all of the extra crap you didn't need to mess around with and have a good clean system without having to back track.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

From https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Take_notes

Take notes.

It's easy to forget the steps you took to do something on your computer, especially several months later when you're trying to upgrade. Sometimes when you try several different ways of solving a problem, it's easy to forget which method was successful the next day!

It's a very good idea to take notes about the software you've installed and configuration changes you've made. When editing configuration files, it's also a very good idea to include comments in the file explaining the reason for the changes and the date they were made.

This has saved me so much grief. If ever I mess up a system so badly that I want to re-install or when I want to set up a new machine, having a clear set of notes makes it a breeze.

[–] Astaroth@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

It’s easy to forget the steps you took to do something on your computer, especially several months later when you’re trying to upgrade. Sometimes when you try several different ways of solving a problem, it’s easy to forget which method was successful the next day!

History with Fish makes this easy

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is an awesome distro with up to date packages. KDE is also a great choice, especially with Plasma 6.0 around the corner.

I wouldn't worry too much about Nvidia drivers, just follow OpenSUSE's guide [1]. The remaining issues of Nvidia with KDE Wayland are getting fixed over the coming months.

Edit: OpenSUSE can't ship some codecs by default for legal reasons (like RedHat, Fedora), but makes it simple to enable them (optionally through graphical YaST) [2].

[1] https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_drivers

[2] https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installing_codecs_from_Packman_repositories

[–] Nokinori@pawb.social 1 points 11 months ago

That makes sense, thanks!

[–] kubica@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm also a beginner and I noticed that debian let me install a lot of possible desktops. So I installed all of them, and I can switch on the password screen which one to open. I'm trying some stuff this way.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If you notice issues with Wayland screen sharing or flatpak file manager not opening, try uninstalling Gnome/KDE. The xdg-desktop-portals for different desktops sometimes don't work correctly while concurrently installed. If you don't notice issues, it should work fine.

[–] kubica@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks I'll try to keep it in mind if something weird happens.

[–] milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev 3 points 11 months ago

Hello OP, warm welcome to the schizophrenic community that is linux! I’m running this exact same setup as you intend to.

Couple of points I’d add:

  1. Nvidia and linux is a shit show. You either use the gimped mesa drivers (not so good), or the closed source drivers (even worse), especially on Wayland. If you still want to try it out, I suggest you stick with X11. I was using a 3080Ti and gave up trying to get it to work on Wayland+KDE Plasma v5 without screen glitches and bought a 7900XTX instead. AMD works out of the box without further configuration. I’ve had nothing but issues with Nvidia. For the GPU neckbeards that are going to achytually me, please don’t, I have no skin in this game as I have a bunch of cards from both.

  2. I am not a pro nor expert in the foundations of linux, but I more or less know my way around its fundamentals (enough not to get into too much trouble), so I would actually suggest not getting into a rolling-releasing distro like Tunbleweed until you are super comfortable with a little hands-on and figuring shit out. Pop!_OS might be a better bet for your use case for now because it comes bundled with Nvidia drivers, but it uses a GNOME derivative (cosmic DE) so you don’t actually get the KDE experience.

Having said these, I absolutely adore Tumbleweed and KDE, I’ve been half daily-driving it but the gaming experience is not the absolute best (be prepared to experience weird glitches and crashes). If a flawless gaming experience is non-negotiable to you, stick with Windows. But if you’re ready to explore the quirky wonders of linux, the beauty of it all is the experience and the real reward is the friends you make along the way.

[–] Astaroth@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you're going to be using a DE and mostly do stuff through the GUI instead of terminal/command-line then make sure you can go admin mode (Root/Sudo).

Besides small annoyances I had with KDE Plasma 5's UX the main reason I didn't like it was that often enough I would have to use admin privileges but I couldn't do it through the GUI File Manager (Dolphin) so I frequently had to use the terminal.

It should be possible to have admin privileges in Dolphin but I was a noob and didn't know how (and still don't even now).

If you end up facing that issue then either be a bit smarter than me and look up how to do that or use Nemo, another file manager, which is more or less the same thing as Dolphin except when I ended up using it on Linux Mint a while back it let me use it as Root as a feature out of the box.

 

And for the record I don't like Linux Mint, apt package manager sucks (package managers are basically app stores where you get all your stuff), but at least it was super easy to install and Nemo was a good file manager.

 

If you don't mind tinkering and have a secondary device with an internet connection in case you break something then I would recommend Arch Linux. Or you could try it in a Virtual Machine I guess.

Pacman (Arch's package manager) is a hundred times better than Apt, and then there's the AUR on top.

Also while I've never used it I hear a lot of good things about EndeavorOS, Arch Linux but supposedly easier

[–] Ultimatenab 2 points 11 months ago

After contemplating for 3-4 years about switching my main rig to Linux, I did it on Friday just gone.

Note for the below, I have a full AMD system.

  • I went with Garuda Dragonized distro as it is gaming focused and has all the game related stuff included.
  • took me less than 30mins going from gaming on Win11 to Linux, but I did the research before.
  • there are a few tweaks if you use Steam but you have Lutris to help you.
  • of the 35 ish games installed, all of them work without issues, but they need updating once you enable compatibility to Proton.
  • the default theme is too flashy but you can select to bring it down a few notches

Technical

  • if you have secondary SSD or HDD, dedicated to games or files like I did, it is advisable to have them backed up to an external drive as you will need to re-partition them from NTFS to use them properly in Linux
  • with Garuda Dragonized Gaming, all drivers are installed but follow the Wizard at the beginning and check all that apply to you. It will save you time.

Good luck and looking forward to having you on Linux!

[–] S410@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

OpenSUSE + KDE is a really solid choice, I'd say.

The most important Linux advice I have is this: Linux isn't Windows. Don't expect things to works the same.
Don't try too hard to re-configure things that don't match the way things are on Windows. If there isn't an easy way to get a certain behavior, there's probably a reason for it.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 2 points 11 months ago

I used to run Tumbleweed with KDE on my Nvidia system. I found the rolling release structure of Tumbleweed to cause extra work for me, because kernel updates came frequently and occasionally broke the Nvidia drivers. As a workaround, I ended up pinning my kernel to an old version.

Nvidia drivers have been at least a little troublesome on every distro I've used, particularly with the additional CUDA libraries.

One nice thing about Suse is that it uses BTRFS by default, and you can use snapper to revert your whole system if something goes wrong. So if Nvidia shits the the bed after an update, it's easy to roll back. Most distros default to ext4 and do not have snapshot support by default, which feels like living in the stone age to me after using Suse and BTRFS.

Of course you CAN set up BTRFS and snapshots in any distro, but that's a lot to ask for a beginner with Linux. I strongly recommend choosing a distro that does that for you, like Suse.

[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

If you're planning on gaming, and you have an NVIDIA card, then I would like to recommend Bazzite. I've been using it for months, and I'm very happy with it. Have it installed to my Steam Deck as well as my PC.

[–] experimentmapass@social.trom.tf 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you encounter problems you can't find information on, do Ubuntu LTS next and use askununtu.com, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com. The existing documentation and the largest community is what makes this the easiest option. Once you gain XP for a couple of years that XP is transferrable to Debian.

[–] PeWu@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

The hardest part is when you need to use tools from windows, or to develop a program for that system. Also, many things require good amount of configuration, and with that, expertise at what you doing. I'm currently struggling with solving bug as to why VSCodium will not debug in external terminal.