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Bit of a simple question: Some people on lemmy are still posting stuff from youtube, xitter and the like.

Have you gone full fediverse yet or how far are you?

  1. traded reddit for lemmy/kbin
  2. xitter for mastodon
  3. discord for matrix
  4. youtube for peertube

Obviously I also mean other alternatives. Which ones do you use and why?

Disclaimer: this question is me asking genuinely but also trying to make it fun by arbitrary ranking/escalating it. Not trying to say one is better than the others.

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[–] hellweaver666@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I dumped Twitter in the first wave after Elon took over and found a new home on Mastodon. Deleted my Reddit accounts during the API crisis (I still visit but no longer contribute) and spend some time on Lemmy (haven’t yet found the community to be as engaging). Sadly there isn’t a viable alternative for YouTube yet.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And, honestly, I feel like there will never be an alternative to YouTube.

Hosting video costs a lot of money, it's not something anyone can do

[–] hellweaver666@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah the scale of infrastructure needed for video hosting at a scale needed for creators to move over is nutso. The creators won’t move without the audience, the audience won’t move without the creators. Only way it could work is if another β€œmegacorp” decided to take on YouTube and incentivised creators to move.

Pretty much only Apple and Microsoft have the funds to pull that off.

[–] Jajcus@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Still, there is place for competition, people just need to stop expecting these services to be completely free of charge. When Google 'fees' (data collection and ads) will stop being hidden or easily avoidable other companies will be able to provide similar services for a fair price.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 2 points 10 months ago

Yup, I’m paying for Nebula which is creator-owned. It doesn’t do everything YouTube does, but it’s a cool direction for the medium to go into - at least to try.

[–] hellweaver666@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

Also stopped using Insta after the fuckers randomly blocked me and demanded access to my ID to release. I’m not giving them my passport just so I can doomscroll.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. Lemmy 95%. I use Reddit for tech troubleshooting help sometimes but that's basically it, and I removed my account.
  2. Never used Twitter. I have a Mastodon account but rarely use it. It's just not a content format that I'm very interested in.
  3. Sadly I use Discord still. Matrix is fine, but nearly all my friends use Discord for gaming and related stuff, so I can't get rid of it without losing basically all my gaming friends and servers.
  4. Still use YT all the time, but only through apps like NewPipe, FreeTube, and GrayJay. I haven't signed into YT for well over a year now.

Slowly but surely I'm getting rid of the corpo's grip on my life.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Congrats! I appreciate every soul we can rip from the corpo claws. 3. There are matrix bridges that can puppet your account. Pretty cool. Though I need to figure out how to use them. Found out this week. 4. Check out peertube. Especially sepiasearch.org. It's not perfect and you need to accept that they dont have an algorithm so you need to sort by newest or be very specific in your search terms. Trying to get them to add sort by likes, watch numbers or comment numbers. Lets see how that goes.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've heard of bridges but never tried them, I'll look into them more.

Peertube is pretty cool, just doesn't have all the creators I watch currently. I do still watch some content on there though.

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[–] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Never felt the need for microblogging when Reddit existed, and chats are a mess and I will never understand the appeal unless I spent 24 hours there. So now it's Lemmy all the way... except for YouTube, of course, because that one is simply too hard to avoid, although I do mostly use Piped mirrors.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 10 months ago

I sadly agree on youtube. I love watching gameranx to fall asleep to. Trying to get into peertube though. Still very early, no app, search is bad imo but the idea is great.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Never really used Twitter (beyond some retweets to enter giveaways), so no use for Mastodon.

I do have Matrix, but not much happening there for me. Discord is where the people are.

Use Piped (well, LibreTube) instead of going to Youtube directly - it still has the content.

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I don't use anything else, except NewPipe for YouTube. Sometimes I use a Revanced YouTube app without an account, I periodically delete its data and start over again, but no Facebook, xitter, etc. Only true exception is WhatsApp.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've gone full Lemmy and Mastodon. I'm not going to pretend like Peertube is ever going to be a serious contender. None of my friends are on matrix sadly, so will probably be stuck on sms/discord for a long time.

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[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

YouTube is still there. Through invidious, but still...

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. I jumped ship after the 3rd party app fiasco.

  2. I never used it, so I had no reason to make a switch. I also did make a mastodon account once, but I don't know what happened to it and I can't find it.

  3. I only ever use it for updates for a few games. Also, I can't ditch it because the club I'm in at my community college, the club discord server is how we communicate and there's probably no way I could convince the club to switch since the next year, various members might have gotten their degree or left the club for various reasons.

  4. If my favorite channels switched over to something like Peertube or even some place like Odysee, then I'd definitely switch. Most of the people I watch would never leave and I just don't feel like putting in the effort to find new people to watch since I've been watching some of my favorites for over a decade.

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[–] ntzm@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yes for Lemmy and Mastodon. YouTube has too much good content to skip, I feel like sites that can only rely on advertising to be profitable such as video hosting and search are going to be the hardest things to make fair.

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[–] Damaskox@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago (8 children)
  1. 65-75%. I go in Reddit only when I seek for information that cannot be found conveniently otherwise.
  2. 0%. I don't have an account in neither. Sometimes I click a link that takes me to Twitter.
  3. 0%. Visited Matrix's website but I haven't though much more about it.
  4. 0% so far. Haven't thought much about it yet.
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[–] Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. Use both
  2. No use both
  3. Discord all the way
  4. Youtube premium

I don't think at the moment fediverse have enough content and facilities for me.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 10 months ago

Fair enough. I am too unhappy with large corps to go that route but I can see how the fediverse would not suit everyone.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't use the latter three, and I'm 90% of the way here from reddit. Don't have a Fed alternative to my RSS aggregator, so that's staying for now.

What really intrigues me is replacing my current music library cloud service with Funkwhale, but I haven't had time to explore that possibility yet.

Switching my photo library hosting to a FOSS option is a longer-term goal.

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[–] velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

With the exception of YouTube, I have left all platforms completely. I would leave YouTube too, if there are good tutorial-style web-dev content creators on PeerTube. Also, PeerTube needs a good app. Also, PeerTube instance search sucks, in my opinion. Haven't tried Sepia Search, maybe that is good.

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[–] marx2k 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dropped reddit, stick to lemmy.

Still on Twitter, primarily doomscrolling Ukraine news

No reason to leave discord for me. I use it for a few groups of friends and also hobby forum chat.

Stopped using YouTube directly, switched to using freetube. Haven't checked out peertube but hear the content is lacking

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[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A bit meta, but Is there a unified article anyone can point me to that discusses all the different fediverse video options (IIRC peertube is not the only one) with a overview of how their usage differs from youtube?

I've found peertube to be interesting ever since it was new, but have had very little luck finding anything I wanted on it when I've tried using it.

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[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Youtube is the hardest. Rest are fine.

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[–] AdaShovelace@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

xitter for mastodon

This was step 1 for me, and it happened at the first rumbling of Musk taking over, though I don't use Mastodon.

traded reddit for lemmy/kbin

This was step 2. I was using reddit and lemmy side by side, though mostly ignoring reddit, until the API change came through. I deleted my reddit account then and haven't looked back.

discord for matrix

I did this a few months ago.

youtube for peertube

I don't really use either...

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I still use Reddit, mostly for the memes, but generally, rarely, like once every few days, while I visit Lemmy daily (a few times a day). The 2nd and 3rd I don't use at all, the fourth, no. Mainly because I have to go out of my way just to share a video, and that kinda annoys me.

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[–] Bebo@literature.cafe 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Never used xshitter or discord. Now using lemmy and Mastodon. Still using youtube (through newpipe).

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • I purged my Reddit account 4(?) months ago, and I'd been off it for a few months before that.
  • I've been using Mastodon, and the gotosocial, for about a year and a half. I never really used Twitter, though, and since the Great Reddit Exodus, I use Lemmy more. I've never found microblogging to have much value.
  • Why would anyone go from Matrix to Dicord? Did you swap the order here?
  • I haven't stopped using YouTube. There's no equivalent content on Peertube. Yet
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[–] not_amm 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I only enter to reddit to check information I can't find in other places or because of communities there. I mostly enter for KDE reports and Stellaris lol

I have a Twitter account because my friend are there and they've abandoned Facebook almost completely, but I enter one in a month or so. I've been using Mastodon daily because I found a lot of people that also have my interests and hobbies, even in my language.

I only enter to Discord for casual gaming with friends, like one or two times a month.

And I've been trying to use PeerTube more, but a lot of content creators I like are still on YouTube, and PeerTube doesn't have an official app yet. I'm currently using Piped and NewPipe for watching videos (I use the YT app only when I want to support some creators).

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[–] covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've migrated to almost all foss services. I'm only sharing from non free services if i can't avoid. I'm using this username in each and every services

1,2,3 yes
Its hard to avoid youtube as most of my favourite youtubers wont migrate or even they don't know about foss platforms. They want their ad revenue. Its hard to convience them and hard for them to move

My Fediverse accounts:
Mastodon not Twitter Lemmy not Reddit Friendica not Facebook Peertube not Youtube: Funkwhale not spotify: Bookwyrm not Goodreads Writefreely not blogger:
Lichess not chess.com: Matrix not discord: https://matrix.to/#/@covert_czar:matrix.org
I'm also on pixelfed (not instagram)

Sure i do use proprietory softwares and nonfree services. I do consider them as useful as foss softwares. I just explored most of the fedi universe doesn't mean i hate non-free services.
I'm more active on mastodon, pixelfed, lemmy, matrix and lichess

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/4205915 And finally A meme i made about fediverseπŸ˜‚ Edit: deleted all personal links

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Basically everything except discord. I don't use Twitter or anything like that so mastodon isn't my thing

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[–] r00ty@kbin.life 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

1: I'm running a kbin instance so. Yeah, think I've covered that.
2: Never had a twitter account. I used to check news from some companies that announce stuff there. But you can't even do that without an account now, so I don't visit them aside from if people send me direct links to stuff.
3: Yes and no. I'm using both, mainly because I don't control where everyone else goes.
4: I did (well still do) have a peertube instance up, I've just not moved it to the new server yet and not decided if I will. The problem is, storage. For threadiverse (kbin in my case) the space used is easily containable, the media goes onto S3 and I can surf the best combination of speed/price for that and the DB actually grows at a pretty controllable rate. But peertube takes a LOT of space quickly. I suspect it's a bit harder to have the kind of freedom to post long videos, also livestreaming. I tried 1440p and the server (which is decently specced) couldn't keep up. So, this might be a failed experiment for me I think.

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[–] God_Is_Love@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Most of them! I'm struggling to understand peertube but maybe I'll get it eventually. In the meantime I'm still on YouTube but I've fediversed all the others πŸŽ‰

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[–] indigojasper@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

i'm almost full fedi, even left instagram. it's just discord and youtube that are gonna be hardest to replace for me. been looking at peertube for uploading video game streams but the upload limit...

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

PS - If someone wants to get into watching PeerTube, TILVids.com is a great start.

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[–] kpw@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  1. Yes

  2. Yes

  3. Should say XMPP, the IETF internet standard for IM. Matrix is a venture capital sham not compatible with existing standards.

  4. No, there is a huge content gap.

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[–] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • mostly post on Lemmy now. So check reddit occasionally as there are a few things there I have need/interest in. I rarely post there now. It's mostly because of their utterly unusable official app - if they allowed third party apps (and my choice of third party app) I'd have been willing to pay to use (I'm not looking for a free ride).
  • I'm split between Mastodon, BlueSky, Threads and occasional Twitter. There are people I still interact with on each. I am not a fan of Meta, but unfortunately they seem to be winning. Mastodon is very, very clunky though it has good points. I am seeing an increasing number of big name posters expressing frustration with the platform as there is no good mechanism to ward off spam and abuse at scale - this makes sense (though I certainly am not such a person).
  • What's Matrix? I use Discord only because I have to as it's the only place for support/community for certain tools I use. I hate it. I wish orgs would use old school web page support forae like they used to. Vastly better...
  • YT premium. Gotta follow the content. I don't mind paying to rid myself of ad interruption, and what's more, it makes it functional for my kids (sans ads). Besides, YouTube Music is pretty good (not nearly as good as Google Play Music was, though).

I think as things scale people may start to appreciate just how hard it is to moderate content to a useful degree. Not too much. Not too little. (I'm not suggesting that any of the main sites has really gotten it right, but when it's gone (at scale) things go bad fast (RIP Twitter).

I hope for better interoperability between platform (fedi) but it's likely a pipe dream.

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[–] MiddledAgedGuy 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. I'll follow a search result to reddit, but I don't actively browse it.
  2. Never used either. I created a Mastodon account somewhere once upon a time but never used it.
  3. My friends use Discord, and aren't interested in moving. So I use it.
  4. I don't post or comment on YouTube, but I do follow a handful of people. Not signed in, just using rss feeds.
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[–] GrappleHat@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. Yes
  2. Yes
  3. N/A (never used Discord)
  4. I post to PeerTube, but YouTube still has all of the content so that's where I go to watch things (via NewPipe & FreeTube though)
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[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Still using Discord and YouTube fully and reading some things on Reddit and Twitter. Not posting ob the latter two anymore though.

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[–] ozoned 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have been for years and haven't regretted it. Run my own micro-blog with go to social, tilvids is an excellent peertube, beehaw for lemmy, and matrix is the only option when talking to family imo.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. I already had issues with Reddit long before the API drama, due to spam, etc. However when the API drama dropped, I almost 100% switched to kbin, save for the rare occasion I found some useful info on Reddit, with the occasional tumbling into some other interesting threads.
  2. I post more often to Mastodon, slowly leaving Twitter too, I just need to convince my fellow authors to do so, to give me even less reason to use it. I however decided to limit posting updates of my game engine to Twitter, and instead use the main account now dedicated for it ( @PixelPerfectEngine )
  3. I haven't heard of Matrix, I'll look up it. I don't have any major gripes with Discord so far.
  4. Peertube is fine and dandy, however it's even less adapted than other Fediverse platforms, all while YouTube would be mostly fine IF IT DIDN'T ACTIVELY TRIED TO SABOTAGE MY FIREFOX! I EVEN PAY FOR PREMIUM AND MEMBERSHIPS!

I don't really use any other save for following a bunch of Misskey accounts with my Mastodon. However, I was thinking on creating a federated game launcher/gaming-focused social network similar to Steam. Some parts of it would use ActivityPub (especially public stuff like achievements), others XMPP or something similar. Issues are the question of a copy protection system, and an anti-cheat system. Banning pirated copies of the game from official networks is probably easy even with open source tools, and likely not so controversial. Anything more than that would require more complicated setups, such as a lot of proprietary stuff, not to mention are very controversial, especially with gamers. Anti-cheat systems are also a though issue, likely being the responsibility of the developer, and also there' a lot of controversy with them with kernel-level anti-cheat systems.

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