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I keep hearing people say that hard drives won’t last long and to always have backups. But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying drives consistently? Has anyone ever had a hard drive work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 11 months ago

I still have a working HDD from the first PC I ever built back in the mid 90's.

[–] absentlyric@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

All 6 of my Western Digital Red drives for my NAS I bought in 2009 are still going strong. I hope they keep going bc I hear all kinds of things about hard drive buying issues that Im lost on.

[–] MoronicusTotalis@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yes. And I've had various drives die without warning, including SSDs, flash media, spinning rust. You never know when a power spike (or corruption, or bad luck, or a spilled drink or...) is going to come along and smoke your storage.

[–] stkildaslut@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Bought a 2nd hand 2tb hitachi enterprise drive on ebay over 10 years ago. It's still going in my nas as the most busy disk.

[–] arclight415@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

We had an old Hitachi 9200 disk array stay up for about 12 years with maybe 1-2 disk replacements. Those were very well built systems and at the time, Hitachi companies manufactured everything in them from the drives to the paint to the screws.

[–] Celcius_87@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have ssd’s still in daily use that are like 12 years old. The only hdd’s I use are externals for my data backup though.

[–] ClearSign6606@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It depends on the POH (power-on hours) more than the actual age

[–] ElectroSpore@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have had many individual drives last decades at work and at home the problem is that the odds for failure are the same for each individual drive but if you have more drives the odds that YOU will see a failure increase.

It is like saying what are the odds or rolling a 1 on a 6 sided die

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1654073/probabilities-for-rolling-multiple-dice-and-getting-one-number-or-greater

1 16.67% 4 38.58%

So think of it like having a PC with one drive, vs having a NAS which typically has 4 drives. The more drives you have the more likely it is that you will see at least one failure during the life of the drive.

[–] OwnPomegranate5906@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I still have old IDE drives (with the ribbon cables) that still work. I still plug them in on occasion to check the data on them because they hold a copy of very old cold storage data, and even though that's not the only copy of that particular data, as long as the drive still works and I have a means of accessing it, I'll still use it to store copies of data. The oldest drive I have is a western digital 4GB drive.

[–] dr100@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have a 200MB Seagate coming from the 90s that still works fine and it was untouched from 2001 to 2019. Yes, I had to buy MANY, MANY, MANY drives in the meantime, even if that drive didn't die.

[–] umataro@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

When I started my first serious networking job, there was a syslog server in our datacentre that had been running nonstop for almost a decade. It was an ancient radiator-white supemicro 3u server with 6 SCSI disks. I decommissioned that server 7 years later. Those SCSI disks had been running nonstop for 16+ years without a single problem. The inside of the server was covered in black plastic dust from the slowly disintegrating case fans. Other than half the case fans not working, there was nothing wrong with that server.

[–] Phynness@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have four 2TB drives in a software RAID0 in my gaming rig. They were manufactured in 2011.

[–] plunki@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a 50MB HDD in my first computer, a 286 Digital VaxMate that still works, from 1989 maybe?

[–] kizwasti@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

you should always have backups as all tech fails but yes, I have drives from the 90s. not spinning all the time but still working when required. why? ancient small scsi drives for ye olde samplers and an atari. will replace with sd cards eventually which, ironically, are much less reliable.

[–] michrech@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm in the same boat as others that have commented -- I've got some old IDE drives sitting on my shelf, and every time I've ever pulled them down to see what was/is on them, they always fire right up.

I've never had any in continuous use for decades, though...

[–] exoticsamsquanch@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I also have an old IDE drive about 25 years old that's still working. My PC is about 20 years old and the mobo has 1 ide slot so I leave it plugged in for the hell of it. My PC doesn't run continuously but it has a lot of damn hours on it.

[–] Error83_NoUserName@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

My 1GB (=Pentium 100 era), 20GB, 200GB IDE disks still worked when I connected them. Some have been unpowered for decades and saved in my shed. (-5 to 35°C and 60-85% humidity) I could open every single file on them that I tested.

[–] RefuseAmazing3422@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah every couple years I buy new hard drives.

I have about a dozen that are about 10-20 years old. It's getting hard to find a use for them, but so far I just use them as a 5th level backup, write once. I also destroyed a bunch that were too small.

[–] TastySpare@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Well, let's see:

the smallest (and therefore oldest) Disks I have in my NAS right now read 9 years, 0 months and 23 days. Pretty sure I've got some in cold storage with higher power on numbers (and even older manufacture dates, of course).

[–] WhatAGoodDoggy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I've got three drives in my NAS that are about 12yo

[–] hobbyhacker@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I keep hearing people say that cars won’t last long and to always have money for taxi. But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying cars consistently? Has anyone ever had a car work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?

[–] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I keep hearing people say that hard drives won’t last long...

Define long. Manufacturer R&D has shown that they can provide up to a 5 year warranty on some drives without the likelihood of excess RMA claims. During that period and beyond, for drives in consumer use, even for enterprise rated drives, there's too many variables of use.

...and to always have backups.

Mantra: Any storage device/media can fail at any time, for any reason, with or without notice.

But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying drives consistently?

Yes. Without proper backups (i.e. at least two, ideally with one set offsite physical or cloud), you're at N-1=0

Has anyone ever had a hard drive work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?

Unless you're never planning to add to your collection, you'll always come to a point where you need more storage space. I have some 40-200GB IDE drives that are over a decade old and would likely pass SMART, but the question is what would I use them for? Even the files I consider important are over 300GB and easily fit on single drives, so why bother splitting them up to multiple drives, increasing the likelihood of failure of one or more?

[–] snatch1e@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The drives do not have any expiration data and etc. They just work until the failure, so some of them can work for 10+ years, some of them can fail in a few weeks. It is more about luck and, I think, workload.

You want to have backups with any drive, if the data is critical to you and you do not want to lose it.

[–] phantom_eight@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Just like most things on reddit, overblown.... obviously we all have random failures. I have a Dell R510 with 12x4TB disks. I had one develop bad sectors and another have some kind of issue that was cause it to make the array lock up. I think it was an issue with its board on the drive.

At the same time I have another R510 that is my cold backup with 12x2TB disks... no problems. Almost all my disks are used pulled from the company I used to work for..... don't give a shit.

If you backup or have multiple copies of stuff, who cares if drives die.

[–] 0RGASMIK@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Just have a few good practices and you should really only have to buy harddrives when they fail. I have drives that are from 2008 that I only turn on when I want to go down memory lane.

Have a few copies of your data. Original, backup, offsite backup.

Backups have parity or redundancy so if a drive fails you can replace it without completely rebuilding from backup.

Not all drives are from the same batch. This one’s more up to chance but if you get a bad batch of drives they will likely fail around the same time so it’s best to get them in groups if you are buying drives in bulk.

The only thing I notice about older drives is the speed. I would say the real reason most people constantly buy new drives is capacity. I could go out and double my capacity if I just replaced all my drives with 20TB drives. I have all 8tb drives in my setup but I plan on buying 16-20TB drives when they start to fail.

[–] Tooch10@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Have a Maxtor 250GB external from 2004, but it's been unplugged since 2008ish only being turned on and used maybe a dozen times since then

[–] Tinguiririca@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a 40 MB Conner HDD thats 35 years old and still works.

[–] CletusVanDamnit@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a 250GB external Seagate that is nearing 20 years old. Even made it through a house fire. Still works just fine.

[–] Afloatcactus5@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

In actual use? I've got two. An old 500gb and 1tb western digital drive that came from trash PCs In enclosures. They've been used as game storage drives for my Xbox 1 that I got around launch back in 2013. I feel old.

[–] bububibu@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I just now had to get some data from a Maxtor 120GB IDE drive, that I filled 100% in 2003 and never touched since. Figured I'd check every byte on it while I was at it (testable data), and not a single thing wrong with it.

[–] meshreplacer@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

My 2012 Macmini with the Fusion disk setup SSD disk with HD running 24/7 still working till this day 😂

Now my 6.4tb P4610s will probably last till the heat death of the universe.

[–] NymmieIsMe@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I had a launch 60gb HDD PS3 drive finally give up the ghost maybe 4 months ago... I believe that's from 2006

[–] zedkyuu@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have had a couple of drives die on me in the first year. And I have a few drives that are approaching 20 that are still working (though another one did die a year or two ago). You don’t know when a drive is going to die, only that nothing lasts forever, so that’s why to have backups.

These are all drives that were plugged in and constantly on. For drives in cold storage, I would be even more nervous about whether the drive would successfully power back on after years of being off.

[–] Unnombrepls@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I think my oldest disk may probably be either a decade or close to a decade old.

It is a WD 1 TB HDD with 24798 h of usage (2.83 years=2 years 9 months, 28 days aprox).

I used to store frequently used programs and files there, as well as downloads, so I had it on most of the time.

Out of fear of it breaking, at the beginning of this year I moved all that content to a newer disk and now I use this one to run Stable diffusion. It has not broken yet despite using it daily.

[–] 1leggeddog@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

My 1tb wd black hdd from 2009 that I paid a lot for is still in my rig to this day

[–] bryku@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a drive from 2008 and it is still running, but it does make some weird noises from time to time, so I recently replaced it.  

While that drive lasted 15 years, most of mine dont even last 5 years.

[–] GreenPRanger@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

2TB WD Green from 2010-2013 are still running and running. My 4 have 98000h

[–] UpperCardiologist523@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I got 6 WD red 3TB that all still work. They have been run 24/7 since 2012/13 They are now retired and replaced by WD red 8TB drives.

[–] mshriver2@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a Seagate 4 TB drive that is a few months away from being 10 years old and is working flawlessly.

[–] joes_blog@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

40mb wd had drive in an amiga 1200, still works fine.. must say its not had much use in recent years. Think it was bought in 1993

[–] Cyphco@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

My oldest HDD in my main tower now has 40k Power on Hours and around 5k power on cycles, i think it's around 15 years old

[–] Stooovie@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

HDDs usually die with a U pattern - they either die very quickly, or after a very, very long time. There's plenty of working decades-old HDDs.

[–] jaaprollman@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

so if it doesnt die within the first year it will probably last close to a decade?

does desktop HDD last longer than laptops?

[–] DementedJay@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have 2x 1TB drives from 2010 that are still functional, though I don't actually use them for anything important. They keep the latest disk image backup for a workstation, but the images are already backed up to a NAS.

[–] NITRO1250@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yes, the longest serving ones I've ever owned were from Hitachi. I've owned the Deskstar models from 1, 2, and 3TB capacities, which most were purchased as "gen 1" releases. All disks were in operation 24x7. Of them, from memory, looking at my purchase history and notes, are as follows:

  • 2x 1TB - one purchased early 2007 on launch, and the other in 2008 - both were replaced with larger capacity disks before they died, probably between 2016-2017.
  • 2x 2TB - one purchased in 2011 and the other in 2012 - one died on July 15, 2021, and the other was retired from active service in February 2023 for a Seagate Exos X18 18TB. The retired disk was used from May 2012 to February 2023 for mapped Windows Libraries and secondary program installations to offload the storage from the SSD boot drive.
  • 2x 3TB - both purchased in April 2011 for use in a JBOD configuration with a QNAP TS-212 initially. In 2015, they were migrated to a TS-453A. In February 2018, one of them indicated abnormal sectors and were replaced with newer Seagate 10TB NAS disks in a proper RAID configuration. The non-errored disk was donated in late 2021 to my nephew in-law to use as a storage disk for games where it's still in use today.

Now for some more gory details that might make some people here uncomfortable.

  • !All the disks were purchased in the US initially and used within the US. !<

  • !The first 1TB disk purchased in 2007 was used in an external powered HDD enclosure for transporting FRAPS footage and other media related assets back and forth from uni. It was somewhat protected with a padded cushion lining the bottom of my backpack. After it served it's purpose, it was pulled from the enclosure and added into my tower with the 2nd newly purchased 1TB disk.!<

  • !Both the 1TB and 2TB disks were shipped via UPS in the Spring of 2013 from the US to Germany along with my Desktop PC and accessories. The HDD cages with the disks inside were pulled from the NZXT Switch 810 chassis, wrapped in layers of bubble wrap, and packed into the same box as the tower, surrounded by tons of packing peanuts. The chassis got damaged by UPS during the shipment with the left door being too bent to be put back on, however the HDDs were fully functional. !<

  • !Both the 3TB HDDs within the TS-212 were wrapped in a Corsair PSU black drawstring bag and placed, feet down, into my Samsonite soft shell carryon bag for my flight to Germany. !<

  • !All the disks did a pretty good job under the circumstances including multiple moves within Germany over the next couple years, and while being in use nearly 24x7.!<

[–] metalwolf112002@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have a few IDE drives around for some of my experimental/ project pcs. 40gb or so.

I have also had to replace a 500gb or two in the raid5 array I use for main storage on my primary NAS.

I try to avoid buying things like 20tb drives on black Friday because if a drive is going to fail, it probably won't be while there is a sale going on and I do like have a spare drive on hand.

I did pick up two 2tb drives yesterday, but that is because I am finally at a point where I could replace a 2tb drive in an emergency. I still plan to run them mirrored.

[–] vivificant@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I have 20gb drives that still work

[–] x54675788@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

8 years mark with my WD Red 3TB drives, still zero reallocated sector count. They were kept always spinning, I don't know if this influenced things for the better