No need. If I wanted corpo social media, I'd be on reddit/twitter instead of lemmy/mastodon
this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2023
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It's Eembrace, extend, and extinguish (EEE) all over again. It has happen countless times, and will keep happening. I can't believe people still fall for it.
Meta wants to capture the twitter refugees, and they will do the same thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Fuck facebook. That all I have to say.
I think Carrot said it best.
I think I'll never knowingly use a Meta product.
Not needed. We have mastodon. It has it's quirks but in the long run is much better than twitter
Why would I leave one shit stain’s platform for another’s?
Mastodon already exists, they didn't need to bother
A shit product name using a generic commonly used term.
I already fell into misinterpreting a post title about it. So unnecessary.
Obviously I don't think anyone here cares for it, but most are worried on how it'll affect the fedi
Most of the fear is unfounded and it's a good thing for the overall fedi network
You can see Mastodon's CEO response on it, and I definitely agree with him. It's a good run down on the controversy, also mentioning embrace-extend-extinguish.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
As much as I respect the guy, I think he's being naïve in that blog post.
This post explains very well why one should be very weary of this.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Yeah a whole lot of nothing new from that post. The mention of XMPP is mentioned in Mastodon's post already, and it really is an irrelevant protocol barely having users in 2006. That landscape isn't remotely the same as it is today. When you say let's talk on XMPP, what does that even mean? What app? What website? If I say let's chat over ActivityPub, I could point you to Mastodon or whatever. They're user facing, they're established, they're easy to use for normal people. It's modern day and we can clone a git repo of ActivityPub like it's nothing. People are well aware of extend-embrace-extinguish. The comparison really baffles me.
Frankly I think those admins are dumb for refusing to talk to Meta so they could give them their perspective of the fedi. That was Meta actually attempting to have positive communication and was shot down.
None of the comparisons in that post that are brought up are even remotely comparable to me. They are all entirely different circumstances, like trying to compare a essential tool like document rendering to an independent social network protocol?? You need that document rendering for work, you can't do your job otherwise. Mastodon can tell them to fuck off and remain on an unchanged ActivityPub with zero loss. These comparisons are not the same.
Ok answer this then:
What's stopping Meta from spreading its influence on the platform (so that people follow others on threads), growing up to be the largest instance, and then just defederating from everyone else to "stop spam"? People will then move to threads so they keep following their friends there (because their friends signed up for meta, since it was all compatible anyway).
Have you ever tried to administer your own email server? It's a huge hassle to do, as you'll automatically be blocked by Gmail, outlook, etc and have to jump through a lot of hoops to stop yourself from being blocked.
The same thing will happen to the fediverse.
My response is the same thing I posted over and over. They don't care about that... because the fedi population is completely irrelevant. I don't want to state my same point for a third time. Also, yes I do run my own email server tied to two domains actually. But it's configured correctly and I have never been blocked in my ~4 years or so of running it. Both are .dev domains (which is owned by google lol), and certain TLDs like .top domains will almost always go straight to spam. So things like that factor into reputability.
If they didn't care about the fedi population, why are they making it compatible then?
Because they do good things sometimes. See how they open-sourced LLamA and React. If you don't have an actual logical reasoning as to why this is harmful to the fedi, then it's just fear mongering.
Logical reasoning?
I just laid it out to you, and your only arguments are "the circumstances are different" and "sometimes they do good things".
They just burnt through a shit-ton of money on their metaverse idea, they are not gonna be doing anything but shrewd business decisions for a while.
I've got a bridge to sell you.
I think they’ll do quite well, it’s a perfect landing spot for Twitter refugees not willing/techie enough to take the leap to Mastodon. Y’know, the normals. Particularly if it’s well-integrated with Instagram.
Is that a good thing? Ie do I want to see Twitter fail more than I want Meta to not be successful…? That’s a fucking tricky one!
I think that if Apple let me install it in a walled off sandbox, away from everything else on my phone, I might give it a try, but as it is, it's not going on my phone.
I've taken a look around and it's pretty early so not a lot of uptake. It will live or die by how many people actively use it. The built in follower base with instagram is pretty enticing. I was surprised to see a reference to the fediverse right up front. Might just be pandering, but we will see!
Tried it and after read some summary about it on Twitter, I don't like it personally. They don't have "only people you follow" timeline. They use timeline like r/all or Twitter's recommendation tab.
The lack of ‘only people you follow’ tab is a huge over sight, that’s the thing I use the most because I’m rarely interested in any app’s recommendations.
So my two theories are:
- This was a rushed launch to capitalize on the latest Twitter shit show and the home timeline wasn't done yet.
- They didn't want people to log into Threads and see nothing if none of their other follows have activated yet, so instead they force you to see everything so you don't run out of content and disengage.
Either way I'd expect to see it soon.
Your second point is the same guess as mine. Although you might be right about rushing the app out the door. They knew Bluesky is on the horizon and Mastodon was picking up users.
Once I followed people and accounts I wanted to see, their feeds automatically took over. What you saw was Meta filling the feed with something so average users don’t see an empty void and give up.
A friend who signed up at the same time was seeing my activity too. If I responded to someone, he could see it and join in the conversation, and vice versa. I actually didn't how Threads took this route. I personally found it more appealing than Twitter and Mastodon when I first signed up and had nothing but an empty feed and had to go find everyone.
That'll be a nope. But it'll probably end up being a juggernaut of popularity that vanquishes all the other emerging contenders.
I'm all for it if gathers up a whole bunch of basic/casual internet users and keeps them in the shallow end of the pool. I know it sounds elitist and snobby but I don't even care any more. If the people who turned reddit and twitter into destinations for celebrity gossip and meme ghettos have their own little neck of the woods then everybody wins.
People are worried about it being an E/E/E manoeuvre but I see it as a plus happening this early - a great scenario to test and observe how federation (and defederation) works in practice and gives the whole ecosystem some experience in dealing with potentially hostile actors.
So far though, worst case is if threads turns out to be a real blight on the fediverse, then major instances with defederate them and that will be the end of it.
I installed it, looked around, and deleted it.
for as long as their instance doesn't allowed "poop" and "bean" posting and comments, it wont gain any traction
If it's just another server that I can choose to follow or not, whatever, doesn't bother me. Anything that will make the fediverse better, faster is ok imo.
That being said, I do not, nor will ever trust Facebook
I'd rather die, ive had enough hopping mad onto corporate owned services to the next.
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