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[โ€“] lisko@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wishing them success ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ฎ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

[โ€“] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yayy wishing for the death of all humans on this planet, good for you

[โ€“] lisko@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you know what nukes are right?

[โ€“] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Finland helping make sure that Ukraine bleeds to the last Ukrainian that can hold a gun.

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[โ€“] frippa@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Finland, supporting nazis from 1939

[โ€“] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (21 children)

they literally had the Swastika in their nations Air force flag until a few years ago

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[โ€“] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My god, the same person is still downvoting all my shit

[โ€“] graphito@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At this point, I'm considering to write a script to automate the process

literally, its like talking to bots. I just blocked them

[โ€“] frippa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

lmao, someone doesnt recieve enough sunlight

they need to eat grass at this point to make up for their deficiency

[โ€“] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and another just walked right into another argument about the finns with the swatstika thing lol

[โ€“] frippa@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

i am stupid but sometimes when im on the internet i think im smart

[โ€“] pingveno@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's almost like they just got invaded by the Soviet Union. Yep, checks out.

[โ€“] frippa@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So? They get to become nazis?

[โ€“] pingveno@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Stalin made a deal to split Poland with the Nazis. Was he a Nazi?

[โ€“] gun@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The alternative was the Nazis getting 100% of Poland

[โ€“] pingveno@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It doesn't change that Stalin was perfect fine being... what do they call it, a Nazi collaborator?

[โ€“] gun@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Stalin is the reason we don't live under a flag with a swastika under it today. Perhaps you would not even be alive typing this if it weren't for Stalin. The war industry of the USSR in this time is well understood. The USSR was not ready for a war with Germany, but they could be in a few years time. This is evidenced by the fact that the Nazis made it all the way to Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad, before the growing war industry of the Soviet Union was able to catch up and supercede the Nazis'.

Without the M-R pact, Barbarossa would have begun much more to the east. Perhaps that would have given the Nazis the upper hand enough to have defeated the USSR. With hindsight, the M-R pact was strategically the right decision.

So do we call this Nazi collaboration? That would be narrow-sighted, because they took the correct strategy to beat the Nazis. In Finland's case, they never had the goal of defeating the Nazis. Even after signing a peace with the USSR, they never turned on the Nazis like other eastern european countries did.

No, Finland's goals were to take territory, and not just the territory they had lost, they wanted to annex all of Karelia we know. A Finish historian even, Lauri Hannikainen writes:

Finnish forces did not stop at the old border but occupied Eastern (Soviet) Karelia with a desire eventually to annex it. By that measure, Finland joined as Germanyโ€™s ally in its war of aggression against the Soviet Union in violation of international law. In their strong reliance on Germany, the Finnish leaders made some very questionable decisions without listening to warnings from Western States about possible negative consequences.

So the viewpoint you are espousing in this thread is historical revisionism even by western academic standards.

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[โ€“] frippa@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

After every other power rejected deals with him

[โ€“] gun@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And that justifies it how exactly?

[โ€“] pingveno@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Finland had just ceded 9% of its territory to end Soviet aggression against it. Germany was useful in getting that territory back.

This is one of those "play stupid games get stupid prizes" things. The Soviet Union invaded a smaller country. Don't blame Finland when it allied itself with a more powerful country. It's silly to act the victim when the Soviet Union picked a fight to begin with.

[โ€“] gun@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Donโ€™t blame Finland when it allied itself with a more powerful country.

I think I will blame Finland for fighting with the Nazis actually. Don't tell me what to do.

Itโ€™s silly to act the victim when the Soviet Union picked a fight to begin with.

25 million people of the USSR died, that does sort of make them a victim. Taking a piece of Finland that was a part of Russia in 1917, like 20 years earlier, that is to this day recognized by Finland as Russian territory, this justifies that for you?

[โ€“] pingveno@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

25 million people of the USSR died, that does sort of make them a victim.

Of Nazi Germany, sure. Not of Finland. Not when the Soviet Union invaded first. It's also worth noting that

that is to this day recognized by Finland as Russian territory

You say that like they were okay with it. From what I hear, it's a source of considerable bitterness, especially given that all the Finnish people in the area were forced out.

[โ€“] gun@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Of Nazi Germany, sure. Not of Finland.

What a pointless distinction. It's not like they contributed to Operation Barbarossa or anything and that a number of those 25 million deaths came at the hands of Finish troops.

You say that like they were okay with it.

No, I say that like it is an objective fact.

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[โ€“] IngrownMink4@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And wouldn't it be better to negotiate a surrender by having China as an intermediary?

I mean, too much innocent blood has already been shed and World War III is about to break out. Besides, Ukraine is not militarily prepared to contain Russia.

Peace was negotiated 8 years ago with Russia, France and Germany as intermediaries, but Ukraine ignored it. Multiple attempts of peace talks since the beginning of current phase of the conflict were also completely fizzled because Ukraine was not attempting to negotiate in good faith. We can only speculte the reason but most likely this is the outcome of combined NATO pressure and neonazi influence in their military and government.