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Really, chloe?

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[–] cloventt@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The slogan isn’t calling for a genocide, it’s calling for freedom for Palestinians. That isn’t anti-Semitic. It’s just bad faith to conflate Palestinian human rights with a genocide against Israelis. Human rights aren’t a zero-sum game, everyone can have them.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry, but you're wrong there. The translation tames things a bit, but the original slogan, along with the Hamas charter it's drawn from, call for the outright extermination of Israel.

[–] cloventt@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And Hamas are miserable anti-Semitic goons that are an armed minority and do not represent the interests of most Palestinians.

Interestingly the phrase was originally used by Likud in 1977 in an election charter: “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”. If this phrase is a call to genocide the knife cuts both ways.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't make it right for anyone to say though.

[–] cloventt@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

Personally, I don't use it, because I've heard from some Jewish people I know that they find it offensive or alienating. But for me I'm not bothered with pro-Palestinian activists using it either.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Saying that the country of Israel should not exist is not antisemitic.

[–] Xcf456@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Quiet everyone, David "someone should blow up the Ministry for Pacific Peoples" Seymour has something to say about dangerous rhetoric

[–] fritata_fritato@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 year ago

Looks like a contrived political battleground. Pick your side folks there will be no nuance allowed.