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For context, I want to run a small personal gig (offering stuff on Patreon). Nothing too fancy.

In order to do that, I would need to use the Adobe suite, Windows, some audio and video effects, all requiring a commercial license.

In theory, I start to make money. How would Microsoft and Adobe know that I don't pay for their software?

If I use some audio effects, how would their owners even be able to tell / find my work? We're talking about basic sound effect, like rain, door knocks etc.

I've always been confused by this

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How about using open source alternatives? Like Gimp or Inkscape?

[–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

>User posts a support query for paid software in a piracy sub.

>"Why not use FOSS instead?"

Every single time.

Not everyone has the time and resources to relearn a new piece of software when they already have their workflow sorted out. Nobody asked for FOSS alternatives, it's a piracy sub.

Besides, shit like GIMP isn't even half as good as photoshop.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Calm down dude.

Also, I wouldn't mind people pirating Photoshop for personal purposes, but if you're going to do this for your business and make a profit off their software, you ought to pay for it.

That's my opinion.

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[–] pragmakist@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And Krita.
Like David Revoy

Also Blender? I'm mean if they're adding sound effects.
Sofie Jantak does 2D stuff in Blender

Also don't pirate rain and door knocks, just get them from people who freely share that sort of thing.
Like these

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

BBC also has a great sound library for sound effects.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We should pirate stuff only if no other good open source alternatives are available.

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[–] java 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How about answering the question that was asked:

How do companies know if I use cracked software or assets for my personal gig?

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about you check your attitude?

It was a simple suggestion made in good faith.

[–] java 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Sometimes, I search for information on how to resolve Windows-related issues because I often assist my relatives and friends with their computer problems. It can be quite exhausting when I come across online discussions on platforms like Reddit or StackOverflow, and instead of finding relevant answers, I encounter responses from individuals suggesting a switch to Linux or something like that. These responses are unrelated to the original question.

So consider your attitude before making simple suggestions "in good faith". There's nothing good in it. What you're doing is not helpful and toxic, even if the toxicity is subtle.

[–] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you also considered though that this is how knowledge spreads. For every 100 people who read this they might say “here we go again with the FOSS…”, but a handful of people might say “GIMP? What?” and go check it out.

Open discussion instead of strictly direct question and answer is important.

[–] java 1 points 1 year ago

I've made the switch to FOSS. When faced with tasks that would only require two clicks in Photoshop, I turn to online searches like "how to do X in GIMP." However, the results are often in the form of either a 10-minute video or a 10-step article. I'm not engaged in professional work. While I partially agree with your point of view, I find it the suggestion to "consider GIMP and Inkscape" superficial in this context. I could accept it if the person I was responding to had shared useful links or information to aid in the transition: sets of useful plugins, free tutorials, and other resources aimed towards those, who are familiar with Photoshop. Any software is just a tool. The OP's objective is to accomplish tasks, so it's natural for them to stick with familiar tools instead of learning new instruments. Consider another thing: if they are professionals in the field, they must have practice and deep knowledge of tools like Photoshop, not GIMP.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow.... Ok...

Take a chill pill.

[–] java 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm chill and polite. I've precisely explained what's wrong with the answer, I wasn't talking about you. So if you have no counterarguments, just stop arguing. There's no need to act childish and to try to undermine the other person.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Can't you just let go already?

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Chances of getting caught are next to nothing.

If you do get caught, you’re fucked. Like fucked. The legal headaches and costs going up against Adobe or MS will ruin you… forever.

With that said, pirating tools is one thing, but using other people’s loops or artistic work without approval is another matter altogether. And that kind of stuff will land you into all kinds of trouble, not to mention curb your work as talk will quickly get around in the community.

If you’re serious about becoming a musician or artist or a creative selling their work, reputation and community standing is like 90% of it.

And if you’re wondering how can an artist tell? We know our work. And people talk. Share stuff. Sooner or later, it’ll get around. The internet is still powered by people.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Name a single person who has been sued by Adobe for pirating their software.

[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the famous maker of sports equipment.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Can’t do that off the top of my head, but this law firm probably could: https://adobeaudits.com/adobe-audit-faq/

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[–] jlow 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'd also encourage you to look into FOSS alternatives but I have a friend who's a graphic designer and he's been pirating the crap out of Adobe since he began his studies in the early 2000s. He says neither he nor any of his collagues (all freelancers) ever had a problem with pirated software. It's literally unheard of. And if you think about it, how is Adobe gonna find out if you block their phoning home with a firewall? Printers don't give a damn (and couldn't tell), neither can clients or random people on the internet. No one is ever going to be "Nice work but can you quickly somehow proof to me that you actually have the ridiculously overpriced subscription for that barely functioning design suite eveyone uses because there's no alternative (except for Affinity maybe)?"

[–] jlow 12 points 1 year ago

If it's not Adobe your pirating but a small firm consider buying their stuff if you can afford it. Yes, I know this is the piracy forum but just like with indie games I think if you have the money and get value out of it then it's cool to support actually people, that need to eat. Global Evilcorps surely not, but people are supporting you via Patreon so why not give some of that money to the people who develop the tools that help you make that money ...

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The moment you start selling things, you transition from "a sternly worded letter" to a lawsuit with insane damages claims.

To break that down:

  • Software: Generally speaking, MS/Adobe will probably just assume but won't care if you are a small enough fry. And in a patreon context, you are probably fine as far as customers. But for "real" gig work, you might get asked to sign a document saying you are legit. At one of my old companies we would generally have contractors sign a legal document saying that they were legit so that we have a paper trail to blame it all on them.
  • Assets: One, people can generally smell an asshole from a mile away. But if you must steal the work of others and sell it as your own, be aware that the same tools used for DMCA takedowns on youtube and twitch (computer vision to detect copyrighted images, audio analysis for songs, etc) work here too. And while I have no idea what handsome devil is doing it, there are tools to scrape the various crowdfunding sites since patreon and the like tend to be cool about taking stuff down. So good luck advertising that.

As for what you can do to minimize your risk and not be a piece of shit?

  • Open source equivalents of software. If you want a "real job" you are going to need to learn and use adobe. But there is a lot of value in knowing a few different tools and getting started with an open source or cheaper workflow is a great idea. Check Humble Bundle for the latter since they tend to sell the B/C tier stuff for cheap every few months
  • Royalty Free assets. Check the licensing terms but these are usually pay once assets that you can then use until the end of time and even resell. Hell, a lot are completely free.

And, because it was suggested below

  • Use pirated software but pretend it is open source: Like it or not, the gap between something like gimp and photoshop is massive. There is a reason that adobe have a stranglehold on "art" related fields and that is because they put the work in. And a lot of their tools are VERY distinctive to people who understand those workflows. Which, combined with being the kind of asshole who steals the work of real artists to sell on your own, is a good recipe to "get called out" by someone tipping off their buddy at Adobe.
[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One, people can generally smell an asshole from a mile away.

Can confirm. I can smell assholes from far away too.

most of the applications 'phone home', often constantly after installation. often, source files will include a serial number embedded in metadata in source projects, that can be traces to a license.

there are many methods, but if you protect yourself (air gapped equipment) and cleanse your output you should be ok. that said, there are new techniques out/on the horizon with embedded data that would not be removable.

[–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

If you are so concerned, why not use alternatives IMG_20231106_234847

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In general they wont. The way they usually find out with small businesses is disgruntled former employees snitching (some actually offer a reward for this).

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I was once hired at a company to get them ISO compliant (8001, 27001 and various other certifications specific for data storage and handling for banks and healthcare).

First thing I did was run inventory on all hard and software and it was quickly clear they ran 50 something unlicensed Windows and Office copies, 3 unlicensed Windows Server copies, 2 unlicensed Exchange copies, a whole bunch of unlicensed Winzip copies and on and on and on.

The typical with small to mid sized businesses.

You absolutely need to get your licensing in order if you want to get those certifications, especially the banking and healthcare data ones.

I made them a list of everything we'd have to acquire to be in order with that part.

They refused. They refused to the point of telling me "it's not working out and we're letting you go".

So, yeah, that's how you get Microsoft to hear about a company running a couple hundred unlicensed products :)

They never got their ISO certs and downsized considerably a year or two later.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you earn/get big enough to care about it, then you would in the first place. Most software piracy busting methods revolves around existence of a snitch who knows you're pirating. You definitely can get away with it if you're just pirating it yourself, but a corporation with like 100 workers cannot do it when all it takes is one person to get busted.

On sound effects / samples it depends on how many people see it, so you don't need to worry too much unless you get popular similarly.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Instead of Photoshop, use GIMP. Instead of Premiere, use Da Vinci Resolve. Instead of After Effects, use Blender. Instead of Audtion, use Audacity.

[–] NuclearWeapon@ioc.exchange 3 points 1 year ago

@dangblingus @shadowagent Instead of Audition, use Reaper

[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 4 points 1 year ago

They don't. But if you get big and along the way in a throwaway comment on Patreon mentioned you use the Adobe Suite and other tools they'll look into that and if you don't pay they'll send a very stern letter demanding payment.

Generally for Joe Schmo if they're found out it stops at a letter demanding payment, and if you don't pay it likely won't escalate, especially if you deny the accusation. But for someone making a profit they'll get their money and it's a major headache and just not worth it considering you are making money far exceeding the rather small cost.

[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Adobe genuine service I guess. Use something like simplewall or postmaster to block them from accessing the internet or block them via the built-in firewall.

Edit: Giving away exported content is fine but be careful with the project files. They can't figure out in what software and image or video was made in as long as you check the metadata. But project files can probably give you away.