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[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 94 points 11 months ago (3 children)

How about: No arms deals with any entity that indiscriminately murders innocent people, women, and children?

[–] ironhydroxide@partizle.com 13 points 11 months ago

Shit no deals with Boeing, Northrup Grumman, etc.

Oh well, I'm certain they won't bribe Congress to force their deals through..... /s

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So practically every major power in the world?

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

What? Think about the BlackRock's and Vanguard's!

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 49 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fuck Israel. We shouldn't be supporting them at all.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They would fold under even the littlest bit of BDS, but that's not going to happen because the US sees themselves in Israel.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thus why nearly every state has made it illegal for any company that works with the government to be BDS-positive.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (21 children)

I can’t believe how many shitlibs there are in here, using this opportunity to guilt people with an actual conscience into voting for this piece of shit as if he has some sort of moral high ground.

What is the lesser evil when both the DNC and the GOP work directly for the exact same military industrial complex?

The real villain here is the system that makes any party outside of the two party system completely irrelevant: first-past-the-post.

We have two Republican parties. One of them just so happens to pretend better at being inclusive..but they secretly also wish that the poor could be burned to fuel their mega-yachts.

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don't let both being neo-liberal blind you.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

To me, it sounds a whole lot like both Biden AND Trump can be considered fascists….especially with this idea of secret military aid to Israel that I’m reacting to here.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’d actually argue that Trump comes from the real estate bourgeoisie but I agree on the Biden characterization. Biden never saw an MBNA donor contribution that he didn’t love (like in 2008 when he sold all future generations out for a $250,000 payout from MBNA).

I just don’t see how real estate wealth translates to industry. In general, many of Trump’s areas don’t fully align with the Republican establishment who, in my observation, generally are from real estate, energy, and industry as you mentioned.

Thinking about it more, it seems like real estate has a lot of overlap in both parties.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Both are fascist, the only difference is where the fascism is pointed. That's why you'll see a lot of fake leftists support Biden, because they don't care about the world all they care about are themselves.

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[–] moonlit2107@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago (39 children)

I'm not voting for this man a second time. No more harm reduction. I'm not degrading myself by voting for a genocide enabler.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wee! We get full harm because you only want perfection at all times with no effort at all! Woohoo!

[–] moonlit2107@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My effort is contributing to my community and the less fortunate. You think me bubbling in a check mark for someone who is giving the thumbs up for an ethnic cleansing and genocide is putting in work? Go outside.

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Whoever you vote for will support Israel. US ally and all.

[–] moonlit2107@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Then I simply will not vote.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Throwing trans, gays, women, poor people, minorities etc. under the bus because Biden who has called for a ceasefire in Gaza isn't doing enough.

Not voting because the democrat isn't left enough for you is an extremely privileged outlook to have.

[–] fckgwrhqq2yxrkt 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This exact attitude is how we got where we are. Don't vote for policies you don't believe in. There are other candidates, win or lose, vote for one that represents you.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

This isn't how we got here. The people that don't vote tend to be left leaning. Republicans do vote, in mass. I fail to see how thinking not voting/voting third party is how we got here.

[–] moonlit2107@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden has not called for a ceasefire. He has called for a humanitarian pause until they can get hostages and foreign nationals out, so they can resume bombing. I'll continue using my vote as my voice. You are free to do whatever you want.

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[–] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

You getting downvoted for refusing to vote for Biden for a very valid reason is proof of how broken our two-party system is. This is why every state needs to pass ranked-choice voting. Maine did it and proved it could be done, and now they get to vote for who they actually /want/ without having their vote “spoiled”.

Everyone in the US should be working to get ranked-choice voting in their state.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Spoiler alert: This would have most likely happened regardless of the D or R next to the president’s name on the ballot.

There’s two reasons I could see the US supporting Israel regardless of who’s in charge: the logical one because it has historical precedent is that the US wants Israel as a buffer for Russia due to it’s strategic location in the Middle-East, and the other reason is more conspiracy theory but I wouldn’t be surprised if the US can somehow get access to Palestine’s oil if Israel beats the shit out of the Hamas.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I get why - congress is increasingly useless - but there's obvious accountability problems there.

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[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

But during some of those conversations, managers have told staffers they should not expect to influence U.S. policy on Israel-Palestine regardless of their national security chops, according to five current and one recently departed State Department officials who talked to HuffPost.

Keep in mind, that Biden has asked for a humanitarian cease fire in Gaza. This information is like fresh of last night, so I don't expect news agencies to catch up fast.

It looks like Biden is lagging behind public opinion on this one, but he is turning course.

What that means going forward will depend on how much aid is let in Gaza by Israel.

[–] NightOwl@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden is specifically avoiding the term "cease-fire":

The White House has refused to call for a cease-fire but has signaled that the Israelis should consider humanitarian pauses to allow civilians to receive aid and for foreign nationals trapped on the strip to leave Gaza.

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[–] transientDCer@lemdro.id 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Asking for a cease fire to move people out. Nothing about them being able to return to their homes or land.

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hitting the breaks on this whole mess is the first step. I will most certainly not call this a victory for just beginning.

But at least now the people in power understand that this is a problem. Versus the previous mindset of:" kill all humans, full speed ahead."

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[–] supersane@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At this point, I can confidently say that Israel controls America.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not quite true. Israel gets a lot of support from the US government because it's a useful ally.

It's the vanguard in the coveted Middle Eastern region (lots of oil) that is incidentally hated by everyone around them so you can easily use their status to provoke proxy wars, then invade and claim plausible deniability by saying you just helped out your ally.

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[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Ain't that illegal?

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