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[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So this is the alternative history they want to write eh?

Clown, it was called the "Enlightenment Age" for a reason, people started breaking the chains of organized religion. Yes they were Christians, but they knew enough to not trust religion as a form of government.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the material world are some of the founding principles, not "death, misery and suffering but maybe get lucky choosing the right god and you'll be rewarded with eternal paradise..."

If they founded the country on the Bible, we'd live in a theocracy with no elections and no opposition parties.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is it that every time a dumbass steps down from being speaker, you guys manage to find an even bigger wanker? It's kinda impressive, honestly.

[–] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Pump the bilge pump, get bilge water.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't want to be that guy, but in fairness, ol' boy didn't actually say "biblical republic" (He just wheeled out the old "constitutional Republic" bit).

Doesn't make this any better, but I want to be sure we criticize with facts.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago
[–] Teon@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

Christians always try to re-history the world in their favor. They are the most dishonest hypocritical fascists.
Then again, they stole most of what their religion allegedly stands for.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

White Taliban gonna Taliban

[–] wintrparkgrl 2 points 1 year ago

Y'all quaeda

[–] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Separation of church and state is both the first amendment and a clause in article six of the constitution:

First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

article six

no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Thomas Jefferson's use of the words "separation of church and state" was to explain the purpose of the first amendment specifically but the actual legal text of the constitution is worded broadly enough to cover not only separation of church and state but separation of mosque/synagogue/ect and state rather than singling out Christianity.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

the actual legal text of the constitution is worded broadly enough

Ahh, then you just engage in a narrow interpretation of it, hence allowing the combination of church and state.

[–] Jeredin@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is literally frightening to read that any American politician would think this. I don't see how any moderate R could support this train of thought.

[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 year ago

There's no such thing as a moderate R. They voted for Johnson.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Lots of them think it. The more frightening aspect is the willingness to say it out loud.

Remember when Cheetoh-Man said things out loud and they loved him for it. Eight years later, they feel emboldened to do all kinds of shit that wouldn't have been on the radar back then. We're in trouble.

[–] Senuf@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Moderate R are an endangered and disappearing species. And even if you find one, you'd be safe to assume they're "moderate" rather than moderate.

[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

Do they even exist? Bacon voted for Johnson.

[–] stormtrooper@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago

When he won the spot he said “good to see our democracy working” or something like that. Fucking shameless lunatic

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

This guy is a fuck

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Cranakis@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. He's a former ADF lawyer, proper Christian nutjob. They say things like this. They believe this.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bloody hell what a nightmare

[–] Cranakis@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've really been in a tail spin over it. It is fucking bad.

They believe they need to "save" the rest of us from ourselves. Their (his) world view (2 people from the presidency) is pure hubris. Johnson thinks he knows better than everyone else. He's "ordained by god." Its revolting.

“The Bible is very clear that God is the one that raises up those in authority,” he said. “He raised up each of you, all of us. And I believe that God has ordained and allowed each one of us to be brought here for this specific moment.” -Johnson when he accepted the Speakership.

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Good of him to accept that Joe Biden has been ordained by God! Surely now he will pay the proper respects and fall in line.

[–] Senuf@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Also this, for fuck's sake!

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

It's a good thing a bunch of 6 year old children weren't murdered! Otherwise Republicans would have to pretend to care about the Constitution again!

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mike Johnson, the banalityest of evil.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is this banal? Seems like he's doing a lot more than just trying to succeed in his career.

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

He got the job because he was so boring, no one hated him enough to block him. Now he's going to let his hate flag fly.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Thomas Jefferson isn't real, ya'll.

[–] Senuf@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've read somewhere else a book recommendation, and after having read it I can recommend it to you:

"Christian Nation" is an alternate history novel by Frederick Rich about the USA turned into a wholly fanatical theocracy with the necessary amendments to the constitution for it to be lawful and everything else.

From the description in one of those online book-selling websites:

"They said what they would do, and we did not listen. Then they did what they said they would do."

So ends the first chapter of this brilliantly readable counterfactual novel, reminding us that America’s Christian fundamentalists have been consistently clear about their vision for a "Christian Nation" and dead serious about acquiring the political power to achieve it. When President McCain dies and Sarah Palin becomes president, the reader, along with the nation, stumbles down a terrifyingly credible path toward theocracy, realizing too late that the Christian right meant precisely what it said.

In the spirit of Philip Roth’s The Plot Against America, one of America’s foremost lawyers lays out in chilling detail what such a future might look like: constitutional protections dismantled; all aspects of life dominated by an authoritarian law called "The Blessing," enforced by a totally integrated digital world known as the "Purity Web." Readers will find themselves haunted by the questions the narrator struggles to answer in this fictional memoir: "What happened, why did it happen, how could it have happened?"

Edit: I've read it in epub format on my phone.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that the prequel for a handmaids tale?

[–] Senuf@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Nope. It's a different novel, by a different author, in a different way. Margaret Atwood is a much better writer, in my opinion, but Frederick Rich's book is, nonetheless, a real page-turner in a way that if you start reading it in the evening, get ready for a sleepless night.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can't wait for my first chance to ask someone the following:

"I have three questions: 1. What does 'Democracy' mean? 2. What does 'Republic' mean? 3. What is your point?"

[–] monolift@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m seeing lots of ‘New Speaker is [insert whatever you want that’s against humans in general] (maybe a slight over-exaggeration, but it doesn’t feel like it) But can anyone ELI5 how you all ended up in this state, and how you get back out? What’s the impact of this individual being Speaker?

Fortunately, not a whole lot.

If Democrats control the Senate.

And if he can be removed in 2024.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

How we ended up here: Following Trump, an increasingly aggressive, authoritarian, what you might call fascist far right coalition has started causing problems in the house (ironically, they're called the Freedom Caucus). The Republicans are divided, but they technically have the majority along registered party lines. Because of this, the Freedom Caucus can choose to force them to do things because, without them, they can't do anything at all without crossing the aisle.

What effect it have: Mostly nothing. Democrats have a majority in the senate and hold the presidency. The house alone can't pass anything. They can vote on things and pass it on to the senate where it will die if it's bad, but that's it. They can also choose to not allow a vote on bills with bipartisan support that would pass if they didn't have control.

The largest effect will hopefully be in the elections. Hopefully people see this shit and choose to vote for something else. There's no way to know though. This could empower them potentially by allowing them to grandstand and maybe force the senate to vote against things that are poisoned to make then look bad.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, uh, what are you doing here then?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

He's busy Implementing his version of the will of God that just so coincidentally is exactly in line with the sick shit that he likes to do. Perfect match, that's why God put him in this place.

I'll leave it up to you to figure out if I'm serious or sarcastic

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cool. Cool cool cool. Glad we've got this turd as speaker 🫠

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I never thought I'd say this, but can we have Mitch McConnell back?

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

That is their origin but they mean different things.

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

The dream of the Islamic state came true

[–] imgprojts@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I better get my gay gangbang desires out of the way before this guy gets to say anything about it. I gotta ask my wife first. She said no. Again. Well I will ask her once more and if she says no again we'll see who gets the last laugh. She said no again. Either way, I'm going to keep voting for liberals. Because someone in this country must keep the gangbang lifestyle moving forward. More gay gangbang and less war!