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I am tempted to start using the @Vivaldi browser but then I looked* at the diversity in the underlying technology and I think it is better to promote and start (cdn.fosstodon.org)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by dmenis@fosstodon.org to c/firefox@lemmy.ml

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I am tempted to start using the @Vivaldi browser but then I looked* at the diversity in the underlying technology and I think it is better to promote and start using @firefox :firefox: more.

Or should we leave it to #Google :omya_google: and #Apple :apple_inc: only❓

I'm curious 😅 @Vivaldi why not use SpiderMonkey and Gecko❓

*Table was created with the help of #Bard

#OpenSource #browser #w3c #codinglife

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[–] mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Vivaldi is not fully open-source

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's source-available

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

Your moms source available.

(Sorry... I'm feeling goofy today)

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[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Safari isn't open source but there's Gnome Web.
It's built on the open source WebKit engine.
also yeah you made a mistake there. webkit is in fact foss.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago

Avoid proprietary software.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google Chrome, Opera, Microsoft Edge and Vivaldi are not open source. Chromium is open source but all those browsers add additional proprietary functionality on top.

Edit: I read the table wrong. The open source columns seem to be about their left column. Still, I find the table to be misleading. Especially since almost all browsers use an open source engine, except Safari. Imo it's more important whether the actual browser is open source. Which boils down to Firefox and Tor and Brave as far as I know.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

were opera is open source lmao

most of that list is not opensource, only firefox, everything has just chromium as opensource, what don't change anything because the company can put the same crappy on top of chromium

[–] JulyTheMonth@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I mean the list never said that the browser is opensource. The opensource column is for the respective technology to the left of it. So it describes if the js and browser engines are opensource.

[–] ramon@social.vivaldi.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox

Maybe Gecko still hasn't become embeddable again❓:
https://www.chrislord.net/2016/02/24/the-case-for-an-embeddable-gecko/

For the Vivaldi choice : https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-vs-google-chrome/#Whats_in_an_engine

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[–] Tau@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

You can use Floorp, which is a soft fork of Firefox with Vivaldi features

[–] Senshiro@mstdn.social 1 points 1 year ago (9 children)

@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml from my experience, @Firefox is very good and honestly, the option to customize your browser clean and choose specific settings/changes that Firefox gives you helps your #Privacy. Other things like @brave are there too. I think brave is based on Firefox. In my opinion, we should not wait for google and apple to hope they would do a Browser which has #OpenSource engines, with many add ons or other things and is private friendly. So, stay more with Firefox. #privacy ftw.

[–] planetaryprotection@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Brave is based on Chromium, not Firefox.

There are Firefox derivatives, but most "alternative" browsers are based on Chromium.

[–] SergoZar@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Senshiro @dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave There are things in firefox that piss me off. But, unfortunately, I did not find an alternative

[–] Senshiro@mstdn.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@SergoZar @dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox @brave what were points that you don't like of it? So from that it depends what alternative would be the best

[–] SergoZar@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Senshiro

There is no adequate addition of your search engines
Keyboard shortcuts cannot be changed
You cannot copy links of multiple selected tabs
Bad inspector. It is much better in Chromium browsers.
No task manager. More precisely, firefox has something similar, but when you want to free the memory of the tab, firefox closes it, and I don't need is

1/?

@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave

[–] SergoZar@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Senshiro

And I still want something that is not in any browser, so I did not add them to this list (and it is also difficult to formulate them because I only remember them when they can be useful)

Basically, Opera and Vivaldi are suitable for points 2-5 (and even for the first point, Vivaldi is suitable, but partially). But they are all closed source and therefore not suitable. So I have to work on Firefox

2/?

@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave

[–] SergoZar@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago

@Senshiro

P.S. Chrome/Chromium/Ungoogled Chromium - do not offer because they have a terrible inconvenient interface and 0 possibilities to configure something.

The only option that suits me is probably to make my browser based on either Firefox or Ungoogled Chromium. But I don't know how, even though I'm a programmer

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@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave

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[–] fradie_new@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox

https://privacytests.org

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[–] taanegl 1 points 1 year ago

Vivaldi is a mess, code wise. It's not open source, despite them giving out a 2GB tarball. Tried to build it for packaging. The actual codebase is a museum of ancient node libraries and private repos you don't get access to. Would not recommend anyone use it.