If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.
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Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It's all about money...always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.
It's sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as "antisemitism"
Agreed. It's also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.
I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.
A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn't put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don't want at your wedding...
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don't want at your wedding...
I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Irrelevant. I'm talking about individuals not governments.
Arab peoples and states behaviors speak for themselves.
Fact that most most of the aid for Gaza came from the west, should be indication enough about how other Arabs feel about this issue..
They are fine with palestiains suffering as along as Israel keep getting rockets.
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the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.
Have you not heard about the beheaded babies?
Israel got blank check from rest of the world, Gaza residents will be punished and aint nobody gonna do shit. If Arab states won't do shit, what can we expect from anyone else.
Sucks to be a Gaza resident, but it is a small price to pay for jewish people to have their own country.
what beheaded babies?
Settlers made up a lie about Hamas beheading 40 babies and tricked Biden into saying he saw pictures.
It was later corrected: he didn't see any pictures because there are no pictures.
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn't know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Sarcastic
Thanks. Sorry for doubting you, There are so many kooks out here that its difficult to make out.
A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn't know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
I read there was a protest on London recently
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US President Joe Biden will once again emphasise Israel's “right and duty” to defend itself.
Some nerd reported the post suggesting that maybe it was a Palestinian air strike. LMAO
Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.
I remember Russia staging a "Ukrainian missle attack", but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too...
The rockets Hamas fires can barely punch a hole in a wall, and this explosion basically leveled the whole hospital. It's just a ridiculous claim.
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The hospitals are packed with children. Holy shit.
Hasan called this yesterday. Of course he was right
In the case of the IDF, ~~lightning strikes~~ bombs strike the same place twice
I don't understand a lot about this conflict but surely there can be no justification for this. Those poor people
Turns out it was the IJ, and the IDF has miles of receipts. The hosptial itself wasnt even hit.
Latest news out of Israel is that they believe it was a Jihad Islamist group that launched the rocket from within Israel.
If I had a rocket that could kill a thousand people in a single strike, I would use it on an actual military target. Maybe that's just me though.
If there were munitions or explosives stored at the hospital, it could cause that.
I'm not saying the IAF didn't do this, but that rocket artillery does fail, and Hamas does use a lot of different soft targets to store supplies. So it's possible that a failed rocket detonated a munition stockpile.
It's also possible that this was an IAF strike, either out of pure genocidal intent, or a targeting munition depot.*
Or... Or...
We just have to wait and see for further evidence and information for proper attribution.
Regardless, a lot of innocent people just died, and a lot more are going to.
*Even if it was used to store munitions, I don't believe that would morally justify an IAF strike, even if would make it "legitimate" (legal) military target.
Videos show no indication of a secondary detonation of that size (or at all). It's a single large primary strike. Moreover, Hamas does not have the capability to launch a rocket with this explosive capacity. Hamas' best rocket is the Ayyash 250, which wouldn't even come close to this much damage. The amount of damage in this strike is much more in line with an American ATACMS or a Russian Iskander (and, in fact, seems larger) and Hamas is decades from developing that capability. It's far more likely to be a large guided munition like a JDAM.
The Russia-Ukraine war has shown has plenty of examples of what happens when you strike an ammo depot. You're free to compare for yourself.
You just cited three "comparable" munitions whose payloads and characteristics are widely different. Two of which are cruise missles, and conveniently, all in the news recently.
Your analysis is also based on questionable footage, which by the way, has sound (sound effects?) of artillery, or rocket artillery, not that of a cruise missile.
But sure, if that footage is authentic, that noise could be something like a JDAM, or another air dropped bomb, even if it does sound more like incoming rocket artillery IMO.
My point is just that it's irresponsible to ascribe definite attribution with the presently available information. That's it.
The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile: https://x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20
Feel free to compare with the use of other JDAMs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_uwzugvv-g
Hamas simply doesn't have the ability to launch a warhead of the capacity being claimed.
Current news seems to show it as a failed rocket launched from within Gaza.
Edit: news coming in fast. Probably best to wait until tomorrow. Might be rockets from Gaza damaged / intercepted by Israeli defense.
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049
The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile: https://x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20
Feel free to compare with the use of other JDAMs: https://youtu.be/A_uwzugvv-g?si=E5Lt0f4BusS-ErXt
And then after you had everything planned out the rocket had a malfunction or you realized you made a stupid mistake and the rocket only managed to to fly 2km in the wrong direction
This same exact hospital has been bombed by the IDF in the past. Occam's razor exists for a reason.
I'm only saying that also if you have something else planned and have a better target in your mind things can go wrong. Also if the same hospitals was hit in the past, it does not mean that it was the same actor. It will become more clear in the following days what happened, nobody knows much so far. There is a lot of speculations and false information around.
There are videos of the strike that clearly match the sound profiles and explosion profiles of previous guided bombs. There is no indication of secondary detonation at the site.
Hamas simply does not have the capability of launching a rocket of this size (this would be equivalent to an American ATACMS or a Russian Iskander. Hamas simply does not have this capability).
We can only hope the rocket wasn’t intended to hit a hospital, but it doesn’t get much better in any case.
This same exact hospital was bombed by the IDF a few days ago
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