I'm going to be honest, this is a huge nothingburger. How often do you pause and look at a crowd that's shown for a few seconds at most? Does this actually affect your viewing experience?
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It doesn't necessarily affect your viewing experience if you aren't paying attention to it, but I think the bigger problem is when these CGI characters become indistinguishable from humans so much that they start replacing humans in live action.
I thought so, but then I checked out the clip. It's hilariously bad, the crowd looks like 1st gen Asimo robots just making a hand motion in a loop. It's a lot worse in motion than in a still pic
Don't even have to pause it to see how bad it is. The reason this is newsworthy is because this is exactly the type of thing SAG AFTRA is striking against.
This shit makes the mummy 2 look like a masterpiece.
Everyone mentions LOTR, but they did those by duplicating the images of the real actors, and done at such distances no discernable detail is visible.
This shit just looks awful. Regardless of what opinions anyone has on AI vs real people, nobody wants it to look ugly. This is ugly AF.
You are not understanding the difference between using AI to create the movement of the crowd, and using AI to digitize entirely new actors. They digitally duplicated the actors, and using a more video game like AI created the motion of those actors in the scene.
They talk in length about this in many commentary tracks of the actual releases of the movies.
No, I understand. You don't understand how any of the technology works so when you listened to the commentaries you misunderstood.
Here's one example of Weta showing off Massive used for one of many shots at Helm's Deep.
" "Prom Pact," a B-grade teen movie on the Disney Channel."
I don't think this is comparable to LotR, this isn't a blockbuster movie it's a trashy disposable low budget teen movie.
These CG extras are probably cheaper per unit than the old "stick two rows of humans in front of a dozen rows of cardboard cutouts" trick they've been using for decades.
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That's look horrible.
But I personally don't care about it for background actors and crowds. I mean where do you draw the line. Look at Lord of the Rings Fellowship trilogy. They created tech to fake those huge wide angle battle scenes. Does that get covered by any rules/legislation that puts limits on AI actors? It's a fine line to walk that's for sure.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
While the WGA has since come to an agreement with studios, SAG-AFTRA's strike is still ongoing — and the use of artificial intelligence in the industry has remained a huge point of contention, with actors calling for protections against studios using AI-generated versions of their voices or likenesses — and for good reason.
The clip, which first made its rounds on social media back in April, shows an audience seated on bleachers watching a high school basketball game.
The clip reignited a heated debate surrounding the use of computer-generated imagery in film, and how the tech could eventually replace human actors, a major talking point during SAG-AFTRA's ongoing negotiations.
In a press conference immediately following the union's call for a strike in July, executive director and chief negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland revealed that the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers proposed to have background performers scanned, "get paid for one day's pay, and their company should own that scan their image, their likeness and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity."
"Disney is insane and just more reason why the AMPTP needs to ditch this plan to replace background actors with AI," freelance writer Christopher Marc, who recently shared the "Prom Pact" clip, tweeted.
This week, SAG-AFTRA proposed a bill to lawmakers called the NO FAKES Act, "creating new and urgently needed protections for voice and likeness in the age of generative artificial intelligence."
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It is pretty funny tho
[off topic] This is why I love the old movies. When you see something happen on screen you know that it's an actual person doing the stunt.
James Bond's 'Thunderball' has has a team of Navy SEALs parachuting into the middle of the ocean and then scuba diving to battle SPECTRE agents armed with sea sleds. 'Lawrence of Arabia' has an army on camels attackign a city. 'Waterloo' recreated the battle with 16,000 Red Army troops trained to fight a Napoleonic battle.
Either that or legitimately a cardboard cutout
Please, point out the cardboard cut outs for me.
I was referring to where you said that that was why you liked old movies, not about that specific movie, tons of old movies, even major ones, used cardboard cutouts to pad the numbers for cheaper than paying extras
Surely people would line up to be extras in film... why would they resort to GTA NPCs?
Clearly said by someone that hasn't worked in the industry.
Extra work is often miserable, has 0 job security, and is really only suitable for people with very little or no expenses.
Furthermore crowds are regularly filled with fake extras, even back to the 90s most times you worked as an extra in a crowd scene it was one or two rows of humans standing in front of a dozen rows of cardboard cutouts.