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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The "good guys" usually don't have to suppress free speech and a free press.

[–] java 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

EU banned most Russian government-sponsored media, Ukraine too.

[–] Piers 12 points 1 year ago

Russian government-sponsored media isn't free press is it?

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

There are no good guys then

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[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

AJ has been busting Israeli fake news with facts

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not that Al Jazeera isn't biased, and the organization does receive Qatari government funding...

But they are relatively fair and balanced in terms of coverage and takes. In a conflict like this, they will platform both the Israeli government and Hamas, and have their own or other local reporters provide an accurate as possible picture of the ground situation, where either side in the conflict will try to convince people differently.

People in the Middle East and internationally rely on Al-Jazeera. Removing them means that people will not be as informed of what's really happening, and will cause some to turn to more biased and extremist channels.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Big caveat: AJ ENGLISH is very different from their Arabic organization.

Honestly, I just saw one of the BEST interviewers, ever, on AJ ENGLISH this past week.

The information in the interviews themselves was nothing groundbreaking, but the AJ hosts UNWILLINGNESS to let either the Hamas spokesperson OR the former Israeli defense minister simply evade his questions was breathtaking and SHOULD be the standard for this format.

The AJ host is Marc Lamont Hill, and here is a link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgoUq69NZ30

Again, and I cannot stress this enough, this was phenomenal work by Mr. Hill, massive respect.

He was combative, but not aggressive, just extremely assertive, and very skilled at active listening in order to adjust his questions when the subjects tried to stonewall and dodge. Top notch. A+++

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Though I can't speak a lick of Arabic, I did check both the English and Arabic livestreams of Al Jazeera (Arabic on https://aljazeera.net), they had many of the same videos, a few bilingual reporters talking on the situation that I saw on both casts.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

AJ is Qatari state media and a core component of Qatari statecraft, but AJ English and AJ Arabic serve different state policy projects.

Qatar's World Cup fiasco was an unusual stumble in their generally highly sophisticated and very effective western PR apparatus.

I say this to emphasize that Qatar uses AJ English to raise it's own respectability around the world, and is very mindful to NOT be seen abusing AJ English to blatantly and nakedly advancing Qatari state interests, although that can get a bit fuzzy around it's ME coverage at times. But overall, AJ English is supposed to help present Qatar as a moderate and reasonable government in the eyes Westerners.

Which, again, is why the World Cup was such a gigantic clusterfuck in the context of Qatari foreign policy.

Now, AJ's Arabic organization however is much more direct tool for Qatar to use in advancing Qatari interests in the region, and amongst the Arab world. It's not remotely held to the same western notions of "balanced journalistic" standards, as AJ English is.

That doesn't mean it's like OAN, or InfoWars, just that it's reporting and coverage is designed to fill a different niche of Qatari foreign policy.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're absolutely right, I think Al Jazeera fills a similar niche as Japan's NHK and UK's BBC.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sort of, but there is a significant difference: democracy vs monarchy.

For all of Japan's and the UK's problems, they're still democratic.

Qatar is a Gulf monarchy so the objective of Al Jazeera English is to give the false impression to it's western audience that Qatar shares any of the values that Western democracies do, or at least profess to.

Without BBC, the UK would still have elections and it's global reach to shape global opinions.

Japan would still be a democracy with gigantic cultural and (high tech) economic soft power.

Without Al Jazeera English, Qatar's global perception would entirely be shaped by oil, slavery, and the world cup.

Al Jazeera English pulls a lot more weight than the other two simply because it has to.

Edit: After bashing Qatar, I should circle back and reiterate that Al Jazeera English is generally high quality and reputable news organization. It should absolutely be ONE of the sources you consume.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Qatar sure fumbled their reputation at the World Cup from start to finish, if nothing else.

[–] chameleon@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago
[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone knows that journalists are all secretly Hamas

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

PRESS + IDENT - PRESIDENT + HAMA = HAMAS

See! Proof all press are actually Hamas!1!!1!!

My god, it was right in front of us all along!!

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Solid proof. Have you considered sending this to the White House so Biden can make a statement?

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

First, I've got to get this to U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken ASAP. Any news media anywhere in the world could be a threat!

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


JERUSALEM, Oct 15 (Reuters) - Israel's communications minister said on Sunday he was seeking a possible closure of Al Jazeera's local bureau, and accused the Qatari news station of pro-Hamas incitement and of exposing Israeli soldiers to potential attack from Gaza.

The proposal to shut down Al Jazeera had been vetted by Israeli security officials and was being vetted by legal experts, Shloma Karhi said, adding that he would bring it to the cabinet later in the day.

Al Jazeera and the government in Doha had no immediate comment.

"This is a station that incites, this is a station that films troops in assembly areas (outside Gaza) ... that incites against the citizens of Israel - a propaganda mouthpiece," Karhi told Israel's Army Radio.

"It is unconscionable that Hamas spokespeople's message goes through this station," he said, adding: "I hope we will finish with this today."

It was not clear if the latter statement referred to a cabinet discussion or implementation of a closure.


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[–] ensignrick@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am generally uninformed on this conflict beyond reading a a synopsis or history for the pass century or so this week, the agenda on either side seems pretty blatant from the media outlets. Now I haven't seen Israeli media directly but seeing what us centric media is reporting My god, I watched fox news and they were basically foaming at the mouth and showing the same clips and had a woman that would say the same thing every few hours trying to dehumanize the other side. I watched al Jazeera last night for a few hours and they frame the attack on Saturday as a counter attack (forever recursively correct) overlook what happened as much as possible and frame context to give it a morality pass and generally are trying to downplay how western media is reporting it.. I took a look at who owns al Jazeera, it's state run media from Qatar. We all know foxnews is basically ultra conservatives circle jerk. It's two sides slinging shit. However, al Jazeera seems to point out the lack of Israeli media allowing any western reporting of what's really happening in gaza which I 100% agree with. It's good to get perspective on either sides but to me both western and Arab centric outlets are obviously pushing their agendas.

I acknowledge my ignorance on the complexities on this issue and am only providing my take as someone trying to understand this issue from the woefully biased reporting surrounding this issue.

[–] Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

Al Jazeera has had some excellent in-depth reporting and is not some radical propaganda outlet, any more than the BBC or NPR. Their perspective is different but not incorrect or intentionally misleading and tends to be factually on par with the AP and Reuters.

The Onion article on their position accurately sums up most western media outlets approach to Israel. It’s a weird blind spot for much of the west.