Kagi! Worth every penny of the subscription. The emphasis on privacy is a big deal for me but the killer feature is the ability to customize results. I have sites I personally like/trust towards the top and have an ever growing blacklist of sites that don't get shown at all. No more pinterest, spruce, or other seo spam sites!
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I tried for years to breakup with Google search, but always kept coming back to it for one reason or another. I started using Kagi a few months ago and have not even thought about Google since then. I really canβt recommend it enough, especially now that the $10/month plan is unlimited searches.
Good to hear that they updated their model
Browser: Firefox because I can download its source code, use it, inspect, modify and share. All of these 4 freedoms make Firefox free, as in freedom. ~~Brave is non-free (closed source and not contributing to software freedom)~~.
I use Qwant (unfortunately, it only works in the EU) and site-local search (Wikipedia, ArchWiki, etc.)
All web search engines are crap, honestly. Maybe Kagi makes better, idk.
EDIT: Brave is free, apparently.
Your question seems to be confusing between browser and search engine. These are two separate pieces of software.
But to answer both:
- Browser: Firefox. Google has demonstrated clearly that they cannot be trusted as the sole owner of the web which is what is about to happen as Chromium (which Brave is based on) fully takes over. Mozilla (makers of Firefox) is the last holdout. If you care, this is case in point about how Google having a monopoly on browsers will kill the free web: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity.
- Search engine: Another +1 for Kagi. It has completely replaced Google for me.
I personally use Ecosia, it's got a pretty decent privacy policy (esp compared to google/microsoft) and it uses Bing's index so the results are pretty good. The main selling point is they use 100% of their profits for planting trees. The quality of the results is 99% of the time fine but if I ever get something I can't find (or if I'm doing an image search) you can just add #g to your search to search google.
It's overall a pretty good search engine by itself, but the fact it plants trees pushes it leagues ahead of the others for me
Do you run an adblocker?
edit: because if you do, then your searches don't contribute towards the tree planting
No I block trackers but I do still get ads on Ecosia
ever click on them?
Yep! (If it's relevant to my search)
They don't get ad money otherwise (I assume that's what you were getting at right?)
I was, yeah
SearXNG. It'll search all the other engines for you, in a privacy preserving way.
Caveat that it is only privacy preserving if you trust whoever is hosting it.
The solution to that is to host it yourself. A VPS with 2GB RAM would be would be more than sufficient for SearxNG, and you can often find those for around $15/year (see GreenCloudVPS budget KVM line, RackNerd sales, other hosts on LowEndTalk). Or, you could run it on a Raspberry Pi, especially now that Raspberry Pis are more accessible and not out of stock everywhere.
Be careful though. Self hosting is addictive. You start with one service on a low-end VPS or Raspberry Pi, then you outgrow the server, expand, and eventually end up in !selfhosted@lemmy.world with a full-size server rack in your house.
I suppose I don't fully understand the model, but if you host it yourself, then wouldn't that be significantly worse for privacy because you're essentially forwarding your searches to multiple search engines instead of one?
Again, maybe I'm missing something, but SearXNG just seems like a bunch of privacy memes mashed together without actually considering the threat model involved very deeply. Ultimately all of your data needs to be forwarded to a search provider in the end, the only way you are gaining any benefit would be if you had a sufficient pool of other users to obfuscate who is querying what, with a host who you are able to trust with your data.
In terms of privacy, most people mean things like tracking cookies, where Google can track you across all your devices. With something like SearXNG, requests still go to Google, etc. but they don't know who you are. There aren't any tracking cookies for them to know who you are, and if you host it on a VPS, the IP the search comes from isn't yours so there's no way to correlate anything by IP address.
That's not how cookies work, cookies are stored on, and controlled by, your client. Unless your client is sharing the cookie information across devices, google wouldn't be able to track you across devices using cookies. Routing all of your searches to one machine allows google to build a richer search profile against you, rather than one scattered across multiple different IPs, device fingerprints, etc.
I assume you mean across the web? That too is more of a different issue, as it is unrelated to the use of google search itself, rather it is due to the existence of tracking services embedded into the websites you visit.
At the end of the day, your VPS is still having a search profile build against it, in a similar manner to just using your personal device. The main difference is that you are paying to have a specialized computer that serves as a single purpose google searching device. Perhaps it is more challenging for them to link that device directly to you specifically, but I'd honestly bet that it is achievable.
That's not how cookies work, cookies are stored on, and controlled by, your client. Unless your client is sharing the cookie information across devices, google wouldn't be able to track you across devices using cookies.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply the same cookie is shared between clients. Google place cookies when you log in, and they know all the cookies associated with your account. You could always do searches when you're logged out, across all your devices, which would prevent them from tracking you cross-device. It's pretty rare for people to not be logged into a Google service though, especially on mobile.
Routing all of your searches to one machine allows google to build a richer search profile against you, rather than one scattered across multiple different IPs, device fingerprints, etc.
At the end of the day, your VPS is still having a search profile build against it, in a similar manner to just using your personal device.
You can get a bunch of people to use it though (friends and family). I also doubt they build profiles just based on IP, since it's not uncommon to share IPs given the IPv4 shortage. There's also CGNAT where hundreds of thousands of people share a sml number of public IPs.
Itβs pretty rare for people to not be logged into a Google service though, especially on mobile.
If that is the case then this conversation is somewhat moot isn't it? But I also don't really think it is all that rare for iOS users.
You can get a bunch of people to use it though (friends and family).
That's a good point, definitely see a benefit then.
I also doubt they build profiles just based on IP, since itβs not uncommon to share IPs given the IPv4 shortage. Thereβs also CGNAT where hundreds of thousands of people share a sml number of public IPs.
Certainly, and because of that you don't really need a proxy.
There are definitely some benefits to such a setup, I just don't think it really is superior to a search provider that is built around not logging and selling your searches. At least not to the degree it gets recommended in these types of posts.
An idea I forgot to mention is that you can use a VPN on your self-hosted SearxNG server so that all searches go over the VPN. That'll definitely anonymize them. If you use Docker, there's ways to route particular containers through a VPN container which is perfect for this use case (you can make it so just SearxNG goes over the VPN while everything else goes directly to the internet).
There are definitely some benefits to such a setup, I just don't think it really is superior to a search provider that is built around not logging and selling your searches.
I agree with this, but does such a provider exist? Kagi may be the only one that truly does it. DuckDuckGo might do it too I guess.
I'm another Kagi fan - after customising it a little it's just so good, and I haven't even played with features like lenses.
I really like the custom bang searches (e.g. I could make !ks gravity search on simple Wikipedia), especially on mobile since Firefox Android doesn't support the normal browser quicksearches (where you set a keyword for each search).
Search engine or browser? For browsers Iβll use Firefox, but if Iβm logging into anything Iβll usually use Chrome or Safari. Iβll also use Tor browser sometimes.
On the search engine side, Iβll generally use DuckDuckGo but Iβm trying out Kagi to see if itβs worth paying for.
Askjeeves
Excite!
My mum used Excite for a long time, well into the late 2000s and early 2010s. It was sort of frozen in time, at least for Australian users. Search still worked well enough, but the news articles on the homepage hadn't been updated in over 5 years.
Theyβre just repackaging AltaVista results.
For work I still use Google tbh. It's still really good for technical answers
Kagi if you're mentally ill
Just use what you like and don't worry so much about what other people approve of. I personally don't like Firefox, despite everyone singing it's praises. I know it's more efficient on RAM, but RAM is cheap and I have more than enough.
I'm probably going to get down-voted for saying this but my primary search engine is Bing because of the rewards thing but I often use Brave's search engine for more private searches.
I would also consider looking into either Ecosia or OceanHero. Someone has already mentioned Ecosia but OceanHero does something similar but for cleaning oceans.
Google's localization is much better than any search engines I've tried.
I personally use Brave for most of my search aueries and don't see anything wrong with it. If I can't find something with it (which is rare these days), then I use SearXNG to get Google results proxied.
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not duckduckgo from what i remember there was something with data and microsoft but you probably research thag before you trust me bcs i dont remember all of it. searchng is good, selfhosted or public instances. good luck