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The average person dont like linux, and if they buy a linux laptop the reason is because its cheaper than the windows one. So why manufacturers still use unknown distros (like lenovo with endlessos) and not something like ubuntu or mint?

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 61 points 1 year ago

I’ve never seen anything else than just Ubuntu or customized Ubuntu preinstalled on laptops.

Endless OS sounds like an actually good distribution, though. It’s based on Debian, it’s immutable, they publish their software as FOSS and they submit upstream patches.

The UI (which is a modified Gnome desktop) looks beginner friendly and easy to use.

[–] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 35 points 1 year ago

Because every OS they ship with they need to support. Lenovo already has a viable, cost effective, support model for endlessos because they ship and support it for educational customers.

It’s not commercially viable for them support other OS that there is near no demand for relative to their overall sales.

[–] Longpork_afficianado@lemmy.nz 32 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Never trust the OS that ships with a device. Wipe it, format the disk, and pray that they don't have a backdoor at the bios level.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Basically true. Heads people say you should also reflash the Bios

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[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To my knowledge the few laptops from the more famous brands I saw being released with Linux out of the box were coming with Ubuntu, can you make a few more examples?

Also Endless OS isn't really unknown, it's just that it's not suggested at all in most communities because its focus is more on making a kid friendly distribution, which is amazing, but it's not really what most people will be looking for

[–] XeryBlox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is vaio and positivo which uses debian, lenovo also uses linux gutta. For endless os there is lenovo again and asus.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok I see. Debian's fine IMO, but what the hell is Linux Gutta @.@

[–] XeryBlox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A distro that acer made, i confused lenovo with acer

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 2 points 1 year ago

Yup, I couldn't find much info on it, only an official page in Portuguese, that one is very weird, I wonder if they made it just so they could put spyware on it

[–] necrobius@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's based on Debian then 90% of guides online will work with it anyway

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it uses apt and .deb files, I'm good to go!

[–] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't seen anything that isn't Ubuntu or Fedora

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

I've also seen Mint, though it is much less common.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

It makes sense for a hardware vendor to have their own distro. That's the only way they can make sure that everything works seamlessly. Just think, if you put Ubuntu on your laptops and then Canonical do something that breaks your compatibility. It would be a major support nightmare.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

Most of the Laptops I see with Linux are Ubuntu, some Ubuntu based distro like Tuxedo, Pop_OS, or Linux mint, and very Rarely Fedora (I'm not sure, but I think I saw one ship with Fedora).

[–] macallik@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My uneducated guess is that Endless OS pays manufacturers to have their OS installed as it has what appears to be privacy-conscious telemetry. It won't be anywhere close to what Microsoft/Apple, but in the Linux telemetry world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, and so it'll still have valuable data.

Some of the areas that are unlike most other distros I've come across:

  • Their website for Endless OS does a lot of tracking and has a policy that is more 'business-orientated' than many distros
  • Privacy policy for the OS is not available online, only when downloading program
  • They use dark patterns to have the default for telemetry as 'opt-in' which might be the opposite for FOSS IIRC
  • Complete list of things tracked here

To me, it's akin to the free third party apps that come packaged with many Android mobile devices. Less intrusive since it's anonymized, but also feels more intrusive because it's the entire OS being monitored. I believe I came across a headline that Fedora is attempting to use the same tracking software in the link above

This review shares a more judgmental view of their practices

This article has a more positive spin

[–] _cnt0@unilem.org 8 points 1 year ago

As other comments have pointed out, I'm not convinced the premise of your question is correct. I'll throw in Slimbook to increase the sample size:

[–] ruination@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I know that some manufacturers ship QubesOS, those are intended for people with high threat models afaik.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lenovo probably just doesn't want to pay Canonical for Ubuntu certification, which charge per unit fee.

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

And they do not have to. No one forces them to get certified.

[–] minnix@lemux.minnix.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

like lenovo with endlessos

Wait, when did this happen?

[–] XeryBlox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

it seems they started on 2016 in mexico