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if you could pick a standard format for a purpose what would it be and why?

e.g. flac for lossless audio because...

(yes you can add new categories)

summary:

  1. photos .jxl
  2. open domain image data .exr
  3. videos .av1
  4. lossless audio .flac
  5. lossy audio .opus
  6. subtitles srt/ass
  7. fonts .otf
  8. container mkv (doesnt contain .jxl)
  9. plain text utf-8 (many also say markup but disagree on the implementation)
  10. documents .odt
  11. archive files (this one is causing a bloodbath so i picked randomly) .tar.zst
  12. configuration files toml
  13. typesetting typst
  14. interchange format .ora
  15. models .gltf / .glb
  16. daw session files .dawproject
  17. otdr measurement results .xml
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[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just going to leave this xkcd comic here.

Yes, you already know what it is.

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[–] raubarno@lemmy.ml 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Open Document Standard (.odt) for all documents. In all public institutions (it's already a NATO standard for documents).

Because the Microsoft Word ones (.doc, .docx) are unusable outside the Microsoft Office ecosystem. I feel outraged every time I need to edit .docx file because it breaks the layout easily. And some older .doc files cannot even work with Microsoft Word.

Actually, IMHO, there should be some better alternative to .odt as well. Something more out of a declarative/scripted fashion like LaTeX but still WYSIWYG. LaTeX (and XeTeX, for my use cases) is too messy for me to work with, especially when a package is Byzantine. And it can be non-reproducible if I share/reuse the same document somewhere else.

Something has to be made with document files.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Markdown, asciidoc, restructuredtext are kinda like simple alternatives to LaTeX

[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is unbelievable we do not have standard document format.

[–] DigitalJacobin@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

What's messed up is that, technically, we do. Originally, OpenDocument was the ISO standard document format. But then, baffling everyone, Microsoft got the ISO to also have .docx as an ISO standard. So now we have 2 competing document standards, the second of which is simply worse.

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[–] megane_kun@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was too young to use it in any serious context, but I kinda dig how WordPerfect does formatting. It is hidden by default, but you can show them and manipulate them as needed.

It might already be a thing, but I am imagining a LaTeX-based standard for document formatting would do well with a WYSIWYG editor that would hide the complexity by default, but is available for those who need to manipulate it.

[–] raubarno@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There are programs (LyX, TexMacs) that implement WYSIWYG for LaTeX, TexMacs is exceptionally good. I don't know about the standards, though.

Another problem with LaTeX and most of the other document formats is that they are so bloated and depend on many other tasks that it is hardly possible to embed the tool into a larger document. That's a bit of criticism for UNIX design philosophy, as well. And LaTeX code is especially hard to make portable.

There used to be a similar situation with PDFs, it was really hard to display a PDF embedded in application. Finally, Firefox pdf.js came in and solved that issue.

The only embedded and easy-to-implement standard that describes a 'document' is HTML, for now (with Javascript for scripting). Only that it's not aware of page layout. If only there's an extension standard that could make a HTML page into a document...

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[–] erogenouswarzone@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Bro, trying to give padding in Ms word, when you know... YOU KNOOOOW... they can convert to html. It drives me up the wall.

And don't get me started on excel.

Kill em all, I say.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

zip or 7z for compressed archives. I hate that for some reason rar has become the defacto standard for piracy. It's just so bad.

The other day I saw a tar.gz containing a multipart-rar which contained an iso which contained a compressed bin file with an exe to decompress it. Soooo unnecessary.

Edit: And the decompressed game of course has all of its compressed assets in renamed zip files.

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[–] DigitalJacobin@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

This is the kind of thing i think about all the time so i have a few.

  • Archive files: .tar.zst
    • Produces better compression ratios than the DEFLATE compression algorithm (used by .zip and gzip/.gz) and does so faster.
    • By separating the jobs of archiving (.tar), compressing (.zst), and (if you so choose) encrypting (.gpg), .tar.zst follows the Unix philosophy of "Make each program do one thing well.".
    • .tar.xz is also very good and seems more popular (probably since it was released 6 years earlier in 2009), but, when tuned to it's maximum compression level, .tar.zst can achieve a compression ratio pretty close to LZMA (used by .tar.xz and .7z) and do it faster^1.

      zstd and xz trade blows in their compression ratio. Recompressing all packages to zstd with our options yields a total ~0.8% increase in package size on all of our packages combined, but the decompression time for all packages saw a ~1300% speedup.

  • Image files: JPEG XL/.jxl
    • "Why JPEG XL"
    • Free and open format.
    • Can handle lossy images, lossless images, images with transparency, images with layers, and animated images, giving it the potential of being a universal image format.
    • Much better quality and compression efficiency than current lossy and lossless image formats (.jpeg, .png, .gif).
    • Produces much smaller files for lossless images than AVIF^2
    • Supports much larger resolutions than AVIF's 9-megapixel limit (important for lossless images).
    • Supports up to 24-bit color depth, much more than AVIF's 12-bit color depth limit (which, to be fair, is probably good enough).
  • Videos (Codec): AV1
    • Free and open format.
    • Much more efficient than x264 (used by .mp4) and VP9^3.
  • Documents: OpenDocument / ODF / .odt

    it’s already a NATO standard for documents Because the Microsoft Word ones (.doc, .docx) are unusable outside the Microsoft Office ecosystem. I feel outraged every time I need to edit .docx file because it breaks the layout easily. And some older .doc files cannot even work with Microsoft Word.

[–] Laser@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

By separating the jobs of archiving (.tar), compressing (.zst), and (if you so choose) encrypting (.gpg), .tar.zst follows the Unix philosophy of “Make each program do one thing well.”.

The problem here being that GnuPG does nothing really well.

Videos (Codec): AV1

  • Much more efficient than x264 (used by .mp4) and VP9[3].

AV1 is also much younger than H264 (AV1 is a specification, x264 is an implementation), and only recently have software-encoders become somewhat viable; a more apt comparison would have been AV1 to HEVC, though the latter is also somewhat old nowadays but still a competitive codec. Unfortunately currently there aren't many options to use AV1 in a very meaningful way; you can encode your own media with it, but that's about it; you can stream to YouTube, but YouTube will recode to another codec.

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[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • By separating the jobs of archiving (.tar), compressing (.zst), and (if you so choose) encrypting (.gpg), .tar.zst follows the Unix philosophy of "Make each program do one thing well.".

wait so does it do all of those things?

[–] DigitalJacobin@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

So there's a tool called tar that creates an archive (a .tar file. Then theres a tool called zstd that can be used to compress files, including .tar files, which then becomes a .tar.zst file. And then you can encrypt your .tar.zst file using a tool called gpg, which would leave you with an encrypted, compressed .tar.zst.gpg archive.

Now, most people aren't doing everything in the terminal, so the process for most people would be pretty much the same as creating a ZIP archive.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago

.odt is simply a better standard than .docx.

No surprise, since OOXML is barely even a standard.

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[–] xilliah 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I wish there was a more standardized open format for documents. And more people and software should use markdown/.md because you just don't need anything fancier for most types of documents.

[–] raubarno@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, but only if everyone adhere to CommonMark version of Markdown.

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[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree, we need support for it in libreoffice and than other document editors.

We can not expect people to use codes, but editor that saves to it would be grat.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Standardized open format for documents might have been the only ISO meeting where people were protesting in the streets - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_of_Office_Open_XML

So now ISO officially has two standard formats for the exact same thing!

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[–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 34 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Ogg Opus for all lossy audio compression (mp3 needs to die)

7z or tar.zst for general purpose compression (zip and rar need to die)

[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

It's a 30 year old format, and large amounts of research and innovation in lossy audio compression have occurred since then. Opus can achieve better quality in like 40% the bitrate. Also, the format is, much like zip, a mess of partially broken implementations in the early days (although now everyone uses LAME so not as big of a deal). Its container/stream format is very messy too. Also no native tag format so it needs ID3 tags which don't enforce any standardized text encoding.

[–] jtfletchbot@lemmy.ko4abp.com 6 points 1 year ago

Not the original poster, but there are newer audio codecs that are more efficient at storing data than mp3, I believe. And there's also lossless standards, compared to mp3's lossy compression.

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[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

SQLite for all “I’m going to write my own binary format because I is haxor” jobs.

There are some specific cases where SQLite isn’t appropriate (streaming). But broadly it fits in 99% of cases.

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[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't know what to pick, but something else than PDF for the task of transferring documents between multiple systems. And yes, I know, PDF has it's strengths and there's a reason why it's so widely used, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

Additionally all proprietary formats, specially ones who have gained enough users so that they're treated like a standard or requirement if you want to work with X.

[–] kkard2@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

oh it's x, not x... i hate our timeline

[–] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I would be fine with PDFs exactly the same except Adobe doesn't exist and neither does Acrobat.

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[–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] sxan@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Resume information. There have been several attempts, but none have become an accepted standard.

When I was a consultant, this was the one standard I longed for the most. A data file where I could put all of my information, and then filter and format it for each application. But ultimately, I wanted to be able to submit the information in a standardised format - without having to re-enter it endlessly into crappy web forms.

I think things have gotten better today, but at the cost of a reliance on a monopoly (LinkedIn). And I'm not still in that sort of job market. But I think that desire was so strong it'll last me until I'm in my grave.

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

JPEG XL for images because it compresses better than JPEG, PNG and WEBP most of the time.

XZ because it theoretically offers the highest compression ratio in most circumstances, and long decompression time isn't really an issue when the alternative is downloading a larger file over a slow connection.

Config files stored as serialized data structures instead of in plain text. This speeds up read times and removes the possibility of syntax or type errors. Also, fuck JSON.

I wish there were a good format for typesetting. Docx is closed and inflexible. LaTeX is unreadable, inefficient to type and hard to learn due to the inconsistencies that arise from its reliance on third-party packages and its lack of guidelines for their design.

[–] davefischer 6 points 1 year ago

TeX / LaTex documentation is infuriating. It's either "use your university's package to make a document that looks like this:" -or- program in alien assembly language.

I like postscript for graphic design, but not so much for typesetting. For a flyer or poster, PS is great.

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Markdown for all rich text that doesn't need super fancy shit like latex

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[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

matroska for media, we already have MKA for audio and MKV for video. An image container would be good too.

mp4 is more prone to data loss and slower to parse, while also being less flexible, despite this it seems to be a sort of pseudo standard.

(MP4, M4A, HEIF formats like heic, avif)

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[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

UTF-8 for plain text, trying to figure out the encoding, especially with older files/equipment/software is super annoying.

[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

i'd like there to be a way to standardise midi info in plugins for music

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