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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good! More people around the world should protest the rampant price gouging by the land-owning class.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

It's not that linear here.

There aren't huge corporations amassing houses and apartments here and asking insane rents.

This craziness started back in 2010, after the 2008 market crash. Interest rates were fairly low before the crisis and that allowed for many people to buy their family home. When the market crashed and interest spiked, many lost those houses but somehow most people endured the crash.

Next comes an historically low point for interest rates. Many people with some income buy second homes to rent and invest into air bnb. The market remains stable.

CoViD hits. And tourism, the biggest industry in the country crashes and does it hard. After the lockdown, our equivalent of air bnb was quicker to pick up due to individual tourist looking for that alternative.

When everything returns to normal, we get a flood of tourist and a new phenomena: foreigners looking to settle in our country to work remotely.

We are very affordable for the so called "digital nomads" so this drives up the rental market. Real estate agencies move up to control the rental market, promising ever rising leasing prices, which happens, has the market moves to fetch higher prices from foreigners that can afford it and to scare off other foreigners, often immigrants, with less money to rent.

Between a speculation wave and a populist wave, the nationals get crushed in a leasing market where private landlords feel they can extract a lot of money from sub par houses, often aged and with no appliances. Buying has become more difficult, due to higher interest rates and ever mounting prices, which foretells a bubble forming.

Oh, and an added nail to the coffin: the state has published tables with so called "affordable leasing prices", for guidance of the landlords, but even those are ridiculous, with an apartment for the average 4 people family costing more or as much as one month of salary. The prices change from area to area but are nonetheless ludicrous.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Portugal has one the highest numbers of houses per inhabitant in the world. Over 40 per inhabitant. There are 700,000 empty homes in Portugal, not counting airbnbs and second homes. A country of 10,000,000 people.

From 2020 to 2023 there was an increase of 400,000,000 euros in international investment in the Portuguese real estate market. It literally doubles in 3 years.

There is a high number of houses that are kept as investments (empty, second houses, airbnbs etc.). This keeps the market hostage to an international investor class, who in every way but literally have infinite money.

This problem will keep getting worse and worse as long as the government doesn’t do something to fix the root of the issue.

Housing should not be a capital market to be speculated on. There should be no investors in housing.

Things people need to survive can’t be subject to market forces.

Homelessness and lack of housing affordability is exclusively an issue of neoliberal capitalism and the infection of every facet of our existence with “the market”.

[–] catarina@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with the sentiment of your comment, but I feel it lacks some nuance.
First of all, where are those empty houses located? A lot of the pressure is in larger urban areas: Lisboa, Porto, Braga, Coimbra. If the houses are away from an urban centre, they might as well not exist.
Portugal also has a huge emigrant community, and it's common for emigrants to have a house back in the home country, usually in more rural areas, but not always. These houses are a little retirement plan, and tend to stay unoccupied for months or years, only used when that owner goes to Portugal on holidays, or when/if they decide to return.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While “nuance” can indeed be good, it can’t be based on vibes.

If we analyse the data, we know that more than 10% of the active real estate market is subject to international investment and speculation. And the majority of the active real estate market is in major urban centres (with a very big portion in Lisbon alone).

Amazon, when it was first starting out as a book-seller, made a realisation that if they controlled only 6% of a book’s sales they controlled 100% of the price.

If investors control over 6% of the active real estate market, they control the prices. International investors have much more capital than local Portuguese. Investors need prices to keep rising.

The outcome of the current housing crisis is not due to some Portuguese people owning one or two houses. It’s due to international investors buying properties to rent out on Airbnb and expecting their investment to keep rising double percentage digits every year. They might control only around 10% of the market, but they can control the prices with this.

Also, there are enough houses. Portugal doesn’t need to build more houses to solve the housing crisis. Not that building more houses is bad. But it’s not the best and cheapest solution.

The state can eminent-domain empty houses or force them to be rented out long-term. Ban Airbnb. Create laws that enshrine housing as a human right and not a capital market.

But I also support the state building more public housing. That is always good. Public housing ran as a housing co-op is perfect as well. But the state can just buy empty ones and put them under co-ops as well, and that would be likely be cheaper.

[–] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Portugal is popping off lately first the students suing over climate change now this.

[–] Radicalized@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

This country is ripe for a rise in Marxist thought if played right. Good luck, Portugal.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Caused by wealthy foreign migrants or are there other factors? For some reason I’ve heard a lot of North Americans talking about moving to Portugal.

[–] Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

There is a great deal of backlash to the Golden Visa programs which were set up in Europe to boost foreign investment and skim more foreign money into government coffers. While it did result in some building and some influx, the impact has been wildly overstated.

Before I’m beset with angry residents, I’ll note that last year, there were 168,000 real estate transactions in Portugal, but there have been less than 10,200 golden visas granted via real estate purchase over nearly twelve years. That’s less than 850 real estate transactions year, on average, or around 0.5% compared to the 168,000 last year.

There are, I’m sure, edge cases where a large residential building was bought, renovated, and then resold mostly to foreign investors- I’ve seen the ads. But as a driver of housing rents I’m skeptical that such a low volume has been the primary driver of rent inflation. I’m seeing ridiculous rents everywhere, and I think it’s a combination of Airbnb-style landlords snatching up inventory for short term rental income (which no private renter can afford nor private buyer/homeowner compete) as well as the condo-bros leveraging their way into tens of hundreds of units for the passive income fad that has swept most of the western world.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is probably a combination of wealthy foreign migrants and overtourism.

Portugal had been pushing visas for remote workers around Covid similar to how a lot of poorer cities and states have been pushing for remote workers to move in. Apparently it has been very successful, causing people to get pushed of Lisbon's city center.

Portugal has also been selling itself as a way to get a cheap European vacation in the USA, which has also helped. I know United Airlines opened up a lot of flights from Newark to various Portuguese cities. Porto has become swamped with AirBnB's as the city shifts to a tourism economy.

Given that Portugal has economic statistics similar to Eastern Europe, I can see this pushing out Portuguese from their cities and into Newark.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was surprised to learn Portugal was so poor. I’d be curious to know the history there. They were a powerhouse during the colonial era, so it’s interesting that they didn’t end up wealthy like most other colonial powers.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

This country isn't poor. Far from it. What there is an ingrained mentality that we can't do any better and lately this was topped with if someone has something or does something they are instantly villains, regardless of they are honest and decent individuals.

We have old money, really old money. Some nouveau riche and a few shit for brains top CEOs that open their mouths to spout idiocy.

Paired with a mentality of "good enough is not enough" makes the average portuguese complain the world is against them and anywhere but here is better. This results in massive waves of highly qualified professionals leaving the country that needs that same people to grow.

Oh, and those who stay? "stupid", "crazy" and "idiot" are common terms to designate them, by those who leave and even more by those who will never do anything but complain.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of Europe's wealth got earned during the Industrial Revolution. Portugal didn't really participate as much as other nations did.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Several thousands of people took to the streets in Lisbon and other major cities across Portugal on Saturday to protest for the constitutional basic right to housing.

This is the second protest of the year that focuses on affordable housing, within a context of continuous increase of prices to rent and interest rates skyrocketing which has a big impact on most households due to mortgages.

In Lisbon, the impact of the climate crisis was also a common issue that some protesters wanted to highlight.

Portugal is facing in recent days high temperatures for the season, on Saturday thermometers reached at least 32 degrees Celsius in the capital.

Portugal is one of Western Europe’s poorest countries and has long pursued investment on the back of a low-wage economy.

Just over half of Portuguese workers earned less than 1,000 euros a month last year, according to Labour Ministry statistics.


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[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Better to prepare yourself by buying a beautiful reinforced tents, insulating tape and blankets. Our future is on the road.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm portuguese and I lack the words to properly express how that is so incredibly stupid, even to my countrymen.

There are more houses available in this country than there are people but the base line thought is if not in a major city, there is nothing.

Living in a small, semi rural area, there are more houses available than people here bit because this is inland, nobody wants to come here. Parents spend their childrens childhood indoctrinating them to leave as if fleeing the plague

Where there are no people, there are no businesses thus, no jobs, thus a dwindling population. This is a self enforcing cycle.

[–] catarina@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly! Remote work available to more people would also help.
Cities are starting to feel all the same now, so I love staying rural, no food delivery, enjoying what each season brings, and buying less stuff. Cities are hot, full of cars and noise.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I'd take over an empty house before living on the street.