That's nice of them to walk it back. Definitely not something you'd see Reddit do
this post was submitted on 30 Sep 2023
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Yeah, it was a nice surprise for sure. I'm glad to have the lemmy.world crowd back, plenty of booty for all.
Reckon they were also losing users cause of this decision.
Definitely. I migrated my account after they took an anti-piracy stance.
Ye basically me, left right away to lemme.ee
Same here, now I only use .world only for .world communities, .ee for everything else.
yeah I sure love lots of booty
Dbzer0 is one of the few I have seen making Lemmy better and better.
It's honestly the perfect use case for Lemmy too. It's the kind of thing where decentralization is hugely helpful.
Aww shucks :)
I’m curious what the takedown requests were citing, those communities don’t really host pirated material, they just share links and info.
There weren't any, it was just a troll account that asked admins at a bunch of different Lemmy instances to block anything related to piracy. Lemmy.world admins took the bait. Even in the original announcement they never mentioned anything about dealing with tons of takedown requests. In other words they were blocking piracy related content preemptively before any takedowns occurred.
It's nice they walked back that decision but I'm still not going to create an account there.
Lemmy.world has a bad habit of acting preemptively first and asking questions later.
The companies don't care if they have legal grounds. The threat of legal fees are enough to make most places comply
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So they finally realized the person that convinced them to block the piracy subs was an idiot transphobic troll who was unhealthily obsessed with defending bungie, a faceless game corporation that needs no defense?
Shocker.
Don't try to tell them in their "community", lemmy.world users are as nasty as always!
“We love you… unless it’s not in our best interest to do so.”
Lemmy instances are run by VOLUNTEERS! Lemmy.world is not a COMPANY. A company can have an army of lawyers. An instance run by VOLUNTEERS cannot.
You're acting like lemmy.world is ran by a corporation with plenty of power to fight back.
We'll see you battling takedown requests and not being paid to do so.
All at the risk of a lawyer coming for your ass and closing the whole server down.
They can't touch my server its hosted on the moon
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Don't you have a subreddit to try to be funny in?
That's kind of how it should work everywhere though. Cher figured that out about Sonny eventually for instance.
Still don't trust them, they recently censored the fosscad community without announcement or warning.
Wheres it going?
No acknowledgement or sorry for their stupid garbage and if you try to mention it in their "community" you won't have a good time, definitely not going to follow anything on that instance except the shitposts again but good to see that they correct a mistake at all I guess!
Great news, that's a whole lot of people having access to this community again!
I used to have an account on that woke instance. Left the dumpster fire for lemmy.ml. Not going to entertain obvious censorship on Lemmy.
You left a "woke" instance for one run by communists?
When did commies become woke?
Damn, I want your drugs!
Trust me you don't want them!
This doesn’t sound like censorship, it sounds like they were getting legal threats directly levied at their volunteer team. I can understand the desire to protect yourself against getting sued for your (admittedly large) side project. It sounds like they are working on it in good faith though.
it sounds like they were getting legal threats directly levied at their volunteer team
In the spirit of transparency to the community, post pictures of the legal letters received. Or am just going to assume you are carrying out moderation ^ahem^ censorship on the instance.
sounds like they are working on it in good faith though.
Sure. All censorship starts out in good faith.
Firstly, let me be clear. This is my opinion as someone who isn’t, and has never been involved with their instance in any capacity. My account is with pawb.social.
Posting legal letters may open them up to additional legal liability, and it is completely reasonable to let the community know what happened without sharing the actual letter.
Secondly, you’re putting words in my mouth. I am not saying they are censoring in good faith. I am saying the complete opposite, that they are reversing their stance in good faith. In other words, they are uncensoring content in good faith.
Posting legal letters may open them up to additional legal liability
So it's a case of their word against ours... Anyway, IANAL but I've seen other similarly positioned projects in the open-source software world post evidence of similar letters.
they are uncensoring content in good faith
You do understand that this means that at worst the legal threat did not exist in the first place. At best, the threat no longer exists. Either way, the damage is already done. I don't see the point of walking back. You just don't get to "uncensor" things after the fact.
What tf was woke about that or even better question what tf dose woke even mean by now?...
Trigger happy on banning communities/speech under the guise of moderation using a loosely interpreted TOS policy counts as woke to me.
That's just shitty moderation and probably a overworked mod team, not sure what drug you got your hands on but I would kind of like to try it if you have any left!
Sounds like excuses to me and avoidance in tackling the real issues at hand (censorship of content).
There is a difference betwen cencorship and moderation and one of them is a must sve or you end up with 4chan 2.0 but in this case the decition was bad the the reasoning even worse!
I disagree. Lemmy mods that grew in size got trigger happy with the block button, just like reddit mods did/do. And uses the same tired excuses to justify their behavior.
Lemmy mods have a horrible and unthankful job, they get flooded with CSAM we never have to see and I didn't experience any issues with mods so far, is it possible that the issue is related to the kind of stuff you post?
What does mods getting CSAM posts have to do with banning a piracy community?
And I do not see the relevance in your second question.
You seem to confuse mods and admins, the only thing mods do is run and and moderate specific communities to keep a nice environment people want to participate in. Admins on the other hand manage the instance and are vastly different for most instances (there are some with significant overlap like Lemmy.ml and Lemmingrad but that's usually not the case) and they are behind something like defederations. I didn't see many unjustified defederation and block attempts so far tho, Lemmy.world fucked up with the piracy communities and I did view their proactive defederation from Hexbear critical but now that I know what Hexbear really spreads around the Fediverse I actually switched instance just to get rid of them so I guess they where right on that one!
Thanks for the correction. Meant to mention instance admins.
I didn’t see many unjustified defederation
Because you'd never know about them if you are not looking for the banned communities.
now that I know what Hexbear really spreads around the Fediverse I actually switched instance just to get rid of them
You can block a community from your user panel. Which is why the community bans/deferations from admins is ridiculous.
I created this user in this instance because I knew this would eventually happen.
I'm happy with my choice.
Good.