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[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Or, ya know, just learn another language. It's not a big jump.

Edit: Godot 4.x is already slated to support a plethora of languages- including C#.

But even if the devs decided to not support C# for some reason: you're really going to walk away from a game engine over not being able to use C#?

[–] McWolke@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's a single purpose language. Learning it will bring you no benefit other than using Godot.

Learn c# and you can do basicly anything you want.

Also gdscript is kinda ugly.

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[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well I mean the biggest thing that would be the ultimate ideal would be anything that can maximize the ability to bring existing unity projects over to godot. IE minimal refactoring needed.

Big thing is not just getting people to start their new projects, but what about those who have spent 3+ years mastering their game, only to have the rug pulled out from under them when it was 80% of the way to release worthy.

[–] lol@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i just want enums and interfaces!!!

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Gdscript has enums.

[–] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean people like what they like, also I'd say "learn another language" makes more sense for 3.X where there were a ton of good language options. C# isn't the only thing up-in-the-air due to 4.0's binding system change (that will hopefully be worth it), though C# will get priority for an obvious (and understandable) reason while other bindings will need people in the community to create new efforts for each language that still doesn't have an option.



I say that as someone waiting on Nim-lang bindings (and 1 person working on them is consistently working on it) for 4.X (the 3.X bindings were listed as production ready here). I mean unless there are other languages that also: 1. are usable outside of Godot 2. Have an easily-readable style 3. Have good performance 4. Have (optional) low-level capability/options/flexibility. (I've never actually looked at C# but I don't think I want that ecosystem/setup)

Which, from what I've seen seems unlikely as most things seem to pick a side when it comes to speed/capability or ease. Maybe there's an option with some form of compiled Python but that seems to be a technical mess to get through/decide on and even then said option wrecks its compatibility with Python Godot bindings because obviously it's not interpreted Python anymore.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going to say it (and eat the downvotes): Unity devs have become entitled, and kinda deserve the new Unity pricing structure.

Supporting more and more devices and functionality of c# on weirder and weirder runtimes. It is a mountain of dev work that Unity is paying for and subsidizing for your game. If there was an open source effort to make a unified c# runtime across all platforms that would be one thing, but it will always be front run by new features releasing to .NET so it will never exist.

Changing an existing agreement for pricing without any warning is gross. But something had to give eventually. I would have told you that 10 years ago.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

.net 7+ is an open source unified runtime.

Unity just needed to move to .net (previously .net core) to save a tonne of work.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

From unity's perspective it is a bunch of wasted work. Thats the issue - they threw a billion dollars at developing their proprietary c# runtime and not recouping the cost of investment. But they can't wait around for Microsoft to make moves. And they probably don't want to open source their runtime either out of fear that a free game engine using it will make the rounds.

Godot ultimately has the right approach: offer support through universal bindings to it's underlying archetype and let devs decide what they want in their game's stack. Everyone wins.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are we using C# I stead of C++ for the in editor language again? Inst C++ more compatible with everything? (I know that GDMatice exists, buts that's a lot more work to use I feel)

[–] kevin3kon@mastodon.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Smorty @mac I have been wondering this non-stop since I found out #godot uses C#!

I know the idea that C++ is the end-all-be-all is an oversimplification at best, but It's still a decision I'd like to know more about.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Godot is mostly written in C++, so it's such a weird decision to switch languages like that, and expose C# instead of C++ as a game logic programming language. I suppose it was done so that Unity devs would find it more attractive. Unreal uses C++, so yeah, why?

Also brand bad, so no C# for me, only GDScript and C++ GDNative.

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[–] mac@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The main language is GDScript rather than either of them (although the engine itself is coded in C++). C# support was added on since microsoft gave them money to do it

[–] kevin3kon@mastodon.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@mac @Smorty 😨 Well that's not good! Microsquish (still) can't be trusted! 😰

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. Embrace freedom and Foss. Reject Microsoft and C#. Debian User here.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] spark947@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It is in a technicality But the reality is, it will always move at the pace and at the whims microsoft wants it to.

Thats not necessarily a bad thing honestly. But you can really get i to trouble making it a core dependency for something like a game engine. Unity's users didn't care that Microsoft hadn't posted the runtime to iOS, they expected their games to run on iOS. So Unity did a bunch of dev work that is now kind of a bad investment with .NET 8. This is the core of why they wanted to charge an install fee in the first place.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I get the idea of having flexible options for game devs. Support for systems language for engine internals (C++), hooks for a runtime machien based language (C#), and support for a dynamic scripting language (GDScript) makes sense architecturally. C# is also strategic because XNA to Unity has pretty much cemented its status for game devs. And then GDExtension to provide an api layer for whatever other language under the sun you want to use. It is a very sensible place for Godot to be in.