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[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 98 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] lea@feddit.de 92 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Even the Pi has lost its headphone jack...

[–] tal@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, if you have USB, for a non-mobile platform, it doesn't really matter. It's not hard to get a USB audio interface.

For cell phones or laptops, I can understand not wanting another thing to plug in, but for something like a Raspberry Pi...shrugs

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And you can just get an audio dac hat.

[–] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

To be fair, the pi's have always been famous for low quality sound cards, so there's plenty of hats that can add the functionality.

[–] amio@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

I generally hate the "just get dongles lol" argument but... maybe it's not a huge loss in this one specific case. I've had four models over 3 generations (B, 2-something and 3) and the audio jack always kinda... sucked.

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[–] ohto@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I want to be excited about this, but I just don’t believe I’ll actually be able to get one for retail price. For much of the RP4 lifecycle they prioritized corporate sales, and regular consumers were out of luck. I don’t have a lot of faith in them right now.

[–] tal@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

we’re going to ringfence all of the Raspberry Pi 5s we sell until at least the end of the year for single-unit sales to individuals, so you get the first bite of the cherry.

[–] notfromhere@lemmy.one 21 points 1 year ago

They’re probably doing that for first batch bug fixes.

[–] EmilieEvans@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To keep alive the community that maintains the packages that businesses use? /s

There are a few things you won't forget and the last years were one of those events. Thankfully the competition made leaps forward regarding software support.

Do you remember FTDI-gate 1 & 2 (approx. 1 decade ago)? I do and FTDI never made it back onto my BOM and probably never will again, at least until SiliconLabs, WCH, and Holtek screw it up.

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[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's gotten to the point with Windows 11 killing so many thin clients for businesses with TPM that you can typically find used ones for nearly as much as a Pi. Unless you need the size and efficiency I just struggle to find reason to buy another Pi if I need to selfhost something.

Pis are really cool but they really have become more corporate focused and it shows.

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[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago

The Pi foundation screwed over its original customer base by diverting practically ALL available inventory to business customers. Good riddance.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can't wait for this to be impossible to buy from anyone but scalpers.

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://rpilocator.com/ shows the Pi situation has been solved for a while.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

We’d like to thank you: we’re going to ringfence all of the Raspberry Pi 5s we sell until at least the end of the year for single-unit sales to individuals, so you get the first bite of the cherry.

[–] dansity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 year ago

For the small price of 250 scalper dollars you will be able to buy it

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Realistically probably not getting one for less than $160CAD.

At that point, might as well just buy a used Dell optiplex or something. These boards are absurdly priced, and you'll never get it for MSRP.

Even with the added power consumption of the Dell you'll pull out ahead lol

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I remember when the Raspberry Pi was the amazing $15 computer. Times have changed.

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Priced at $60 for the 4GB variant, and $80 for its 8GB sibling (plus your local taxes), virtually every aspect of the platform has been upgraded, delivering a no-compromises user experience.

Ehhhhhh, that's pushing it. Didn't the v4 and v3 cost in the $30-$40 range?

[–] diverging@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$35 for 1GB RAM. 4 and 8 GB v4 are $55 and $75.

[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I didn't see that in the article, but that's a bit better, thanks.

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[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they didn't even try to come close to the $35 price point. That was always RPi's big selling point. I know COVID screwed that up but I was hoping it was a temporary thing, instead it seems they've used it as an excuse to raise prices permanently. Really stifles any excitement I had for the Pi 5 as RPi's biggest advantage over the competition has traditionally been their low entry price. The base model is almost double the $35 point and we all know it's getting scalped. Good luck getting a Pi 5 for a reasonable price.

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[–] erre@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago

I gotta resist the urge.. I have two Pis idle 🤦‍♂️

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

These things are great for !boinc@sopuli.xyz often time leagues more efficient per watt in terms of computation than regular PCs. I have a couple of 'em working on cancer research and computing to develop an open-source patent-free covid antiviral. You don't need a PhD to make a difference, all you need is a processor :)

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they were more efficient per watt for scientific computing, you'd hear about researchers building HPC clusters from them.

[–] CephalonKappa@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago

*more efficient than regular PCs. Not more efficient than supercomputers lol

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[–] towerful@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

I did a quick Google.
https://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/group/green_machines.html

Is the best actual test data I can find. It uses a physical power meter, so it's full system (not TDP or self reporting power consumption).
And it's a few years out of date.
Seems like Apple silicon is the winner (and will probably continue to be).
The Xeon that beats the rpi4 for GFLOPS/watt is an e5v3, which was launched in 2013 and EOL in 2021.
So there will absolutely be some new Xeon CPUs that will perform better.

However, for a $50 device, it's probably the best GFLOPS/watt/$ from what little empirical data I can find

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

There's a lot of people in this discussion taking about how raspberry Pi and the pi foundation isn't worth your money, whether on principle, or just dollars per unit of compute.

I get it, but I have a question. Is there a competing SBC that has official PoE support? I know there's half baked ways to sort that out separate from the device, but I have a few edge cases where the last viable option was the pi 3B+. The official pi 4 case is horrendous for airflow, and third party cases usually either assume you want no protection (and all the airflow) or you want to handle thermals by contact pads passively (making it difficult or impossible to use the PoE hat), or are just as bad as the stock case for airflow, but they have enough room inside to add a hat, in which case, why go third party when the official case is equally terrible?

The pi 3 had a PoE hat, and a case you could take the top off and get decent airflow. Too bad the fans in the first gen PoE hat are unicorns in terms of power draw, with no way to adjust the power curve for the fan connector to suit a different fan, and since they're unicorns, you can't find them for purchase, and if you find something remarkably similar, they're still slightly different enough that they don't work (I've tried). So the fans burn out and IDK, good fucking luck I guess. Buy a new PoE hat?

Then there was the gen 2 PoE+ hat which released alongside the pi 4, which supposedly works with the 3 as well, which I haven't tried yet, but I'm planning to.

In every case, I have done network monitoring and service nodes that aren't exactly local to a power receptacle and they need PoE. The pi 4 eliminated itself because of the garbage case design of the official case and the lack of thought by those doing the third party cases... so I'm looking at the 5 like, finally, they got it right.

Now everyone is talking shit about the pi foundation, which I can completely understand, but for the application I need these for (and my pi 3's have been in service for like ~5 years and probably need to be refreshed), what other option do I have? What's decent with a good case and PoE input? PoE or PoE+ doesn't matter, I just need to be able to package it up into a relatively small footprint for the application.

Anyone have any suggestions? I'm all ears. I've googled till I'm blue in the face and I can't even find an SBC that has an option for PoE, I never got to looking into whether it has a decent case or if it will run my software...

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Kichae@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are they still playing apologetics for the cops? Because if so, no thanks.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 12 points 1 year ago

Well -- they never really backed down on what they did. Far as we know the out-and-proud espionage cop is still in their payroll, and the only response they ever gave to the story was a generalised 'We think the entire thing is being astroturfed and that no one reasonable is ACTUALLY against us hiring this guy who bragged about all the espionage he did' back in the day.

They never said anything about it since. So it's fair to assume they still believe in what they did.

[–] AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

🎶 I know what I’m gonna buy soon 🎶

[–] Decipher0771@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

I loved Pi’s, but I hate the micro hdmi connectors

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For all of us bitter people who couldn't get an RPi 3 let alone 4 for less than a fortune during the recent dark times...

We’d like to thank you: we’re going to ringfence all of the Raspberry Pi 5s we sell until at least the end of the year for single-unit sales to individuals, so you get the first bite of the cherry.

So I will probably preorder one because why not.

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[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

I kind of moved on to other devices or older models, depending on what is needed. If you just need a low power computer that can run Linux for simple tasks and projects, there's now lots of alternatives. So far I've tried a Banana Pi BPI-M5 and a Le Potato and they're both promising.

There's a few instances where an original Raspberry Pi is still needed. For example, it's super easy to install Home Assistant on a Raspberry Pi while not really supported on other experimental boards. Same with GPIO tinkering with some hit and miss implementation on alternative boards.

The only negative thing that I've began not to like about the Raspberry Pi was/is the power management and consumption on the version 4. The fact that I had to use a "dumb" USB-C charger and that everyone on forums and in comments were always "screaming" that you needed a beefier or more powerful power supply kind of killed the enthusiasm for me. Like, I can charge my laptop using a power bank and PD, while the Raspberry Pi 4 complains that it doesn't get enough power from the same bank. I'm sure they fixed their power issues and PD negotiation in the version 5 but apparently, it will also necessitate a pretty "good" power supply because it can pump up to 25 watts. Personally I don't need that much power for most of my projects and it's even annoying because it significantly reduced/reduces the number of ways that I can power the board.

Still, I'll certainly try it if I can get my hands on one. They are very nice devices and their popularity makes them very standard and compatible. But I'm not in any rush because I've since tried alternatives and some will also do just fine too, or even better.

[–] therealbabyshell@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I wonder if the will make a Pi 500 the all in one form factor is so convenient when traveling

[–] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Will it handle all features of Plex? Like streaming high def and using all plexamp features?

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Theres much better options for that

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[–] skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

They should stop supporting cops!

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[–] wax@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 year ago

I think it was a mistake to remove hardware video encoding. Even the hw encoder for H264 1080p 30fps was better than no encoder. Apparently they think sw encoding can replace it..yeah.. the cpu is more powerful, but not that much more. I think intels N100 processors will be more competitive for applications involving video/webcam

[–] banazir@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Oh cool, been waiting for this announcement. Nice.

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