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Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)

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Context for those who are baffled (I was)

https://news.itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-woke-communists/

No Linus hasn't grabbed a red rag and isn't off to foment revolution

[–] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

rant:

I have been using Linux since 2006, a lefty and against the super-rich and big corporations since I remember (to the point of avoiding their products like the plague), also never having understood or accepted gender roles and other stupid traditional concepts, yet never turned into a communist 🤷

It baffles me that so many people think that respecting gender equality, understanding the evil in big corporations and avoiding them, valuing community and being tolerant (except for intolerance) and against discrimination somehow equals communism... I say this because I've been called a communist by many people who know me, while I have always rejected it explicitly!

/rant

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[–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, I love the FOSS philosophy and I would be a communist if I didn't know that in my country and in every other country where communism is/was, it became a dictatorship doing reallly horrible things. I simply don't have the trust in people to believe communism is possible without violation of human rights. It's sad.

[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

in every other country where communism is/was

There is not a single country that has achieved communism.

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[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fuck communist statist, foss is pure anarchism.

[–] Rumo@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Anarchism does not necessarily exclude Communism! :)

Good Explanations: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/index.html for those interested

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[–] bear@slrpnk.net 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Celediel@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I now love Debian more than I previously thought possible.

brb installing Debian on all my hardware.

edit: there's a fortune-anarchism too, amazing.

[–] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

AUR package: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/anarchism
(the pkgbuild is literally just extracting the deb and archiving it again to an arch package lol)

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Linus Torvalds is a "full-blown woke communist"? Citation needed.

I have been a FOSS enthusiast since my preteen or early teenage years (mid-to-late 2000s), yet I am not in any sense a communist.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago

His dad was a straight up member of the Finnish Communist Party. He's still alive, and is even a member of the European Parliament, but seems more liberal/centrist these days.

Linus himself seems to be pretty mum on politics.

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[–] tal@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

https://moneyinc.com/linus-torvalds-net-worth/

How Linus Torvalds Achieved a Net Worth of $150 Million

Red Hat and VA Linux went public, and since they acknowledged it would not have been possible without the programmer, Torvalds received shares reportedly worth $20 million. Before it went public, Red Hat had allegedly paid Torvalds $1 million in stock, which the programmer claims was the only big payout he received.

He revealed that the rest of the stock Transmeta and another Linux startup awarded him were not worth much by the time he could sell them. However, in the case of his Red Hat stock, it must have been worth his while because, in 2012, Red Hat became the first $1 billion open-source company when it reached the billion-dollar mark in annual revenue.

Whether he exercised his stock options is unclear, but the money he makes from the gains could be the reason why his net worth has continued to soar.

Well, that's one definition of being communist, I suppose. Myself, I think that it's fairly safe to say that Torvalds is okay with private ownership of industry.

[–] spookedbyroaches@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

People may have read this and got too excited. He just believes in socially left policy. He's probably not a communist.

[–] askat@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago

I don't know about his political views, but I think Linus deserves every last penny he got from Red Hat.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

Tell me you haven't read the Communist Manifesto without telling me you haven't read the Communist Manifesto.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

There's a gaping and dangerous misunderstanding in there. Having money or being successful under capitalism doesn't mean you don't see its flaws. The idea that rich people can't be communists is like saying that only gay people can support gay rights.

Believing that the world would be a better place if we pooled our resources has nothing to do with whether you created an operating system that all of global computing relies on.

[–] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

What? These things are not related to each other by a good margin. In fact, since the FOSS is completely orderless, it goes against communism; which requires some sort of order just to be able to function. But either way, the parallel is not there or questionable at best, not to mention irrelevant.

Can we NOT drag useless politics into FOSS?

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[–] whou@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I too just turned into a Marxist after finding out about Linux and software freedom in 2020 lol

I think there might be more than a handful of us. Welcome, comrade.

[–] imAadesh@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago
[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally same, even the years match up lol

Shit this is too accurate

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

I feel called out.

I'm not quite there yet but im definitly at the second to last block

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ironic as I went the other way. I was a Communist when I got into FOSS and as I got older I realized I could never defend the historical record of Communism.

[–] treble 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

** record of authoritarians that called themself communist.

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[–] kariboka@bolha.forum 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

So many kiddos arguing ridiculous politics here.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Just wait for the next stage as a libertarian socialist, without a leading communist party, because we can take care of us ourselves - it's usually called anarchy (which doesn't mean no social norms, just self-organisation without leadership)

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[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow. Im pretty centerist on capitalism and I have been using linux since about 2000 or so.

[–] z3n0x@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

it be a slippery slope

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Use the right tool for the job, I say.

I made a decent chunk of change with capitalism. I have a modest house and am well positioned for a middle-class retirement.

Now I work for the government in a field for which I find the capitalist options wanting.

I give away my programming guides for free online with no ads, but sell paper copies of the books for profit.

Could I make more money by charging for the online versions? Sure. But some things are worth more than money.

The quest for money doesn't ruin everything, but it sure ruins a lot of things.

Bell Labs of yore would be my dream company to work for.

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[–] shirro@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't really see the link to communism though I can see the parallels to social democracy.

Private ownership of computer code should lead us to a hellscape where all code is owned by a handful of huge companies and wealthy elites. But instead of doing away with private ownership and making all code public domain we added regulation in the form of free and open source licensing that democratized private ownership and made it serve our community. Perhaps that is the real lesson, not communism.

[–] kariboka@bolha.forum 16 points 1 year ago

You don't know what communism is.

[–] anarchotaoist@links.hackliberty.org 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eric Raymond, Communism and Free Software Eric Raymond, Communism and Free Software

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