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Anything by Dan Brown but especially The Da Vinci Code
I picked this one up "to see what all the fuss was about", and put it down after about 50 pages.
Enders Game
I will possibly upset a lot of people with this one but the twist in the end was obvious really early and the main character was terrible. Really shallow writing. I was honestly shocked when I realised just how popular it was.
There is so much better SF out there I still don't understand it.
Enders Game was one of my favorite books... until I turned 17 or 18.
If you didn't read it before you were eligible to learn to drive a car I'm not surprised you didn't like it.
Its a great book for middle school aged kids, for adults it's just OK.
If you didn’t read it before you were eligible to learn to drive a car I’m not surprised you didn’t like it.
You hit the nail in the head with that, I read it as a first year university student. The Heinlein juvenile novels are high art by comparison.
That was my surprise when talking about it online years later, the number of adults who loved it. The ones who read it at school and were in nostalgia mode I could understand but those that read it in their 20s I could not.
I’m one of them, read it when I was 25 or older. I liked the “chosen one” rhetoric being used to exploit Ender. I liked the bleakness of it all. While it was clear what the plot twist was going to be, he didn’t know, and this hit a tragic note for me. The book conveys all sides (Ender’s, the government’s, the alien’s) letting the reader getting stuck between opposing ethics, and not solving the contraposition at any point. The acceptance of the final, horrible result just adds to the bleakness created by all the violence leading up to that point.
I think I had just read to much SF before reading it. Everything it did I had read it done better before in other works.
Can you point to them? I’d be interested. Even if I read a lot of sci-fi, Enders Game is in my mind still unique in its themes.
Not sure if this will help.
I read enders game in 1987...It has been a long time so I can't give exact titles but here is some of the things I had read by then.
Everything written by Clarke and Heinlein, up to that point and all works of Olaf Stapleton, Verne and Wells.
Most of Asimov's SF works.
Some Ray Bradbury.
Other works and authors that stood out to me:
1984
The Book of the New Sun - Gene Wolfe
Neuromancer - Gibson had only done one by this time.
Consider Phlebas Iain M Banks
Solaris and a few others by Lem.
The Master and Margarita
All 6 Dune books.
Saga of the Exiles.
Plus a lot more that I can't remember
I'm guessing the people who liked it as adults didn't grow up reading lots of scifi so it seems more original and fresh to them. I've been a big scifi guy since I was in grade school. The book is full of tropes and they felt stale to me by the time I was graduating high school.
I haven't read Enders Game since about 1991. I still read through most of the Heinlein juveniles every few years although some have aged worse than others.
Oh no, not Enders Game! I loved it… but I understand the criticism. I felt that the main character not being very likable added to the story, but that’s personal opinion.
On the Da Vinci Code, it’s a lightweight page turner, I still thought it was enjoyable, but totally forgettable.
I felt that the main character not being very likable added to the story
I should have worded that better, the characterisation of the main characters in the novel was terrible.
All GRR Martin. The writing is so dry I couldn’t get into it. Super word usage was just weird, like his insistence on “breaking the fast”, but most of it is still modern English, so this word choices stand out as sore thumbs.
After a while, it seemed to me that the white point of the books was to show how many plot twists the author could string one after the other. Still read the first four books, hoping it would get better.
Twilight.
I have a particular hatred for that series because of how it was introduced to me.
I was working at my local library (during college, probably a decade or so before I became a librarian myself), when our YA librarian passed me a pre-release copy. She was like "people are saying this is going to be the next Harry Potter or something; check it out and tell me what you think."
So I went in completely blind, no preconceptions about it at all since nobody had ever heard of it at the time and I don't think the galley even had an actual blurb on it.
I spent 3/4 of the book waiting for it to be about something, and my report to her reflected that. I thought it was vapid, shallow trash with the most mind-numbing characters and ridiculous plot.
Having seen what it became... I stand by my original opinion.
I know it's a love-it-or-hate-it type of book, but Name of the Wind. Beautiful prose. But just the most uninteresting lead characters and antagonists.
It also has quite some misogyny if you think that he is friend with the girl he “loves” just because he wants her to fall in love with him but, somehow, it’s not the right time yet. But if he keeps being there for her, she is going to fall for him! So sleazy.
Ready Player One
That one is generational I think. It isn't going to hit all your childhood nostalgia buttons if you weren't born by about 1985.
I was the target audience. I got all or almost all of the references, I just thought the book was awful.
Oh, well there goes my theory. I liked the book, but I saw it was relying on me relating hard to the 80's references. Like a book version of The Wedding Singer.
Cryptonomicon. Neal Stephenson has written interesting, compelling books - Snow Crash is fun and breezy; Anathem is among my favorite novels - but Cryptonomicon just doesn't hold my attention. Lots of smart people love it, so I always have this nagging feeling that I'm the one in the wrong here.
Completely agree. I didn’t like Snow Crash either, but Anathem is also among my favorites ever.
Hitchhikers.
Hyperion Cantos. The beginning was incredibly promising but then it all went to hell with the magic Mary Sue type girl that deflated any stakes to zero and one of the most insufferable baffoons for the main character. Ah yes and the romance between those two was an actual joke, one-dimensional, unjustified and kinda creepy. By the end of the series I was seriously pissed off at the author for squandering all of the potential.
Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky.
Everyone seemed to hype it up as the best sci fi ever so it might just have been the hype that did it.
I thought it was a decent book but nothing really special. It just wasn't all that interesting to me. It didn't make me want to read the sequels.
Same. I don’t really know why, but the writing style did not do it for me. I couldn’t get invested in the story nor any of the characters.
Where the Crawdads Sing. The main mystery was predictable, the writing was nothing special and neither were the characters. After I read it I was kinda stumped why I had been seeing it everywhere.
I'm reading the Culture series by Ian Banks and I'm not sure if I want to continue. The first two books in the series just aren't doing it for me. I'm planning to read the third and if I don't like it I'm dropping the series!
Most of the romantacy recs on booktok are hugely overhyped. Like, yeah, 4th Wing was more readable than others, but it wasn't super addictive or anything.
I find recs in general hard because readers tend to over-rely on tropes making something good. But a good read needs a delicious trope and decent writing. I can't do without either