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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

to be supported with taxpayer dollars

Taxpayer funded factory farms? Why would anyone want their tax dollars going to a universally cruel industry, or to a company caught doing horrific things time and time again?

How about we subsidize more plant-based products? Make it more affordable and accessible, and this pesky beef problem will simply go away.

[–] RobbieGM@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately these factory farms already receive large subsidies in the US

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, socialism for corporations and for us peons, go fuck yourself-ism.

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just like how Marlboro lights don't cause as much cancer...

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pall Malls were marketed to pregnant women for stress control by people who played doctors on television as late as the early 1980s. You could even smoke in your hospital room.

We’ve come a long way, baby.

[–] currentbias@open-source-eschaton.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@LillyPip @lntl remember this when people tell you covid is nothing to worry about

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I never stopped wearing masks since the beginning, and get boosted every time it’s available.

I’ve always taken Covid seriously, same as the flu for which we get yearly boosters.

I’ll always be angry at antivaxxers that this thing that could have been contained like SARS was turned globally endemic because morons refuse to live in reality, so I’ll probably have to mask for the rest of my life (I have autoimmune issues that don’t play nice with Covid and I’d likely die very, very horribly, slowly and painfully drowning alone in an isolation room).

So yeah, I won’t forget who’s fault this is.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this that thing where the ranchers feed their cows some percentage of died seaweed to cut down on the methane emissions?

Because that's a thing.

It's better for the climate than not doing that, but still not as good as, you know, actually looking at overall beef production with a critical eye and maybe cutting back a bit.

This video spills the secrets of how to make believable chicken (and beef) flavors from plant products. We've known how to do this since the 60s.

We could replace all ground meat with plant products and the only thing missing would be the texture, and companies are actively working on that.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Feed additives are not mentioned in the article, but it's also worth noting how greatly misleading the claims you see about those are

What’s more, feeding cattle algae is really only practical where it’s least needed: on feedlots. This is where most cattle are crowded in the final months of their 1.5- to 2-year lives to rapidly put on weight before slaughter. There, algae feed additives can be churned into the cows’ grain and soy feed. But on feedlots, cattle already belch less methane—only 11 percent of their lifetime output

[...]

Unfortunately, adding the algae to diets on the pasture, where it’s most needed, isn’t a feasible option either. Out on grazing lands, it’s difficult to get cows to eat additives because they don’t like the taste of red algae unless it’s diluted into feed. And even if we did find ways to sneak algae in somehow, there’s a good chance their gut microbes would adapt and adjust, bringing their belches’ methane right back to high levels.

[...]

All told, if we accept the most promising claims of the algae boosters, we’re talking about an 80 percent reduction of methane among only 11 percent of all burps—roughly an 8.8 percent reduction total

https://www.wired.com/story/carbon-neutral-cows-algae/

[–] gullible@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn’t that a major oxymoron? If it involves an animal at scale, it can’t be particularly environmentally friendly. Which animal-based protein has the lowest environmental impact, besides insects? Eggs? Whey? Crustaceans? Fish? Can fish or crustaceans process soy?

[–] tetraodon@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mussels are quite low emissions, low pollution. You stick a rope in the sea and let them grow.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03889-2

[–] I_am_10_squirrels 1 points 1 year ago

I will still eat oysters. They're low impact, clean the water, and have no nervous system. I consider them fancy plants. Finding local ones (PNW) is the only challenge, most supermarket ones are from China.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool. I don't give a shit about Capitalist labels in the first place. Buy the meat for taste and quality. Grass Fed or even better, locally sourced, is all you need.

[–] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

Actually you don't need to murder animals for food at all! It's amazing we can have this knowledge in our time on earth

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Tyson claims that its new “Climate-Smart Beef” program, to be supported with taxpayer dollars, has managed to cut 10 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions from a tiny fraction of its cattle herd.

The 1.5 billion cows farmed worldwide for cheeseburgers and ice cream sundaes each year accelerate climate change in three main ways: they eat grass and/or grain, like corn and soy, causing them to burp out the highly potent greenhouse gas methane; they poop a lot, which releases the even more potent nitrous oxide, as does the synthetic fertilizer used to grow the grain they’re fed; and they take up a lot of land — a quarter of the planet is occupied by grazing livestock, some of which could be used to absorb carbon from the atmosphere if it weren’t deforested for meat production.

Among other practices, Tyson also lists “pasture rotation,” which entails moving cattle around more frequently with the goal of allowing grass to regrow, which can provide a number of environmental benefits, but many climate scientists are skeptical it can meaningfully reduce emissions.

When asked what benchmark the USDA uses to approve a 10 percent emissions reduction claim, the agency again said I would need to file a FOIA request, and didn’t answer questions about its verification process in time for the deadline for this story.

Meat and dairy production account for at least 14.5 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, leading many environmental scientists to conclude that eating more plant-based meals is one of the best actions people can take to fight climate change, and that governments could do much more to steer us in that direction.

In a recent online survey, conducted in partnership with market research consultancy firm Humantel, Vox polled consumers about which parts of the food sector they think contribute most to climate change.


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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Important quote missed in the summary:

But even if we give Tyson and the USDA the benefit of the doubt, there’s a stubborn truth about beef: It’s so high in emissions that it can never really be “climate-friendly.”

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Entropy exist, but fortunately my priority is a cool society built for humans and their culture. So bring on the culinary delights, bring on Fois Gras. A society that cannot support that for every one is a society that has lost it's purpose. I don't exist to live in a dark closet and eat insects. I live to enjoy my life here, to enojoy my family, fireworks, freedom, and travel. Let's figure out how to make the things that are worth living for sustainable and get rid of things that Capitalism has imposed upon us (like car commuting culture).

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Youtube has been going wild with the greenwashing, I keep getting ads for shit like this it's insufferable.

We use renewable- We're working towards- With your help we can save the envi- Our beef is- shut uuupppp