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Developers of indie puzzle game Orgynizer have claimed that Unity said organisations like Planned Parenthood are "not valid charities" and are instead "political groups."

In a blog post, the EU-based developer LizardFactory said the plans to charge developers up to $0.20 per install if they reach certain thresholds would cost them "around 30% of the funds we have gathered and already sent to charity."

As Unity clarified the runtime fee will not apply to charity games, LizardFactory reached out to the company to clarify their game would be exempt from the plan.

However, Unity reportedly said their partners were not "valid charities" and were viewed as "political groups."

Profits made from the game go directly to non-profit organisation Planned Parenthood and C.S. Mott Children's Hospital, Michigan.

"We did this to raise money for a good cause, not to line the coffers of greedy scumbags," the developers wrote in a blog post. "We have been solid Unity fanboys for over ten years, but the trust is scattered all over the floor."

The developers are considering a move to open-source game engine Godot, "but we will have to recode our entire game because we refuse to give you a dime," they wrote. "This is a mafia-style shakedown, nothing more, nothing less."

Today, Unity responded to the ongoing backlash and apologised, acknowledging the "confusion and angst" surrounding the runtime fee policy.

The company has promised that changes to the policy will be shared in "a couple of days."

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 133 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Charity” should be a question answered by “do they have a registered charity number?”

What’s considered a charity will differ country by country.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 year ago

That would require them to care enough to figure out how to verify if something is a registered charity and what they are called in each country. Some countries don't even have the concept of registered charity in any form.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Coincidentally if Unity stays course and gets sued this will be what the courts say, too.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Right wing groups in the US made Planned Parenthood a political issue. It doesn't make it a political organization.

I feel sorry for Unity because I want them to be profitable and all that. However, they have a greedy prick for a CEO and one of the dumbest change rollouts I've seen (Twitter has been crazy bad lately too) at this scale. It wipes away any empathy for them and makes you yearn for their collapse.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel sorry for the employees, but ultimately the company chose the CEO it's not like he turned up and forced himself on them or anything. They were really pleased when they announced him as well, as if he was going to be some kind of asset.

It's the investors fault for having no business savvy. Sod em.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Devs may as well bite the bullet & switch engines mid development now, because I'm not buying any new games made in Unity.

[–] OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 year ago

Yup. I'm not either.

[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This (Unity change not your statement) will be a shank at the back of most indie devs.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right--the AAA studios will just consider if they should use Unreal or an in-house engine. They'll put it all in a big spreadsheet and come to a conclusion.

Indie devs that are on Unity are going to get hurt by this scheme. They'll also get hurt if you don't buy their games because they're in Unity. The choices here aren't great.

The one thing is Unreal seems to have been preferred for a while now, anyway. Unity was already losing market share, and is now only going to accelerate that.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

If you’re doing 2D, some devs have been actively documenting the migration from Unity to Godot to make things easier for others to follow suit.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So we're currently at the 'apology that actually makes things worse' phase, which means just a few more days until 'unconditional surrender but even so nobody will ever trust you again'

[–] TheFriendlyArtificer 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People still buy Lenovo laptops, Sony music, use Microsoft products and Google services.

No matter how loathsome and evil a company has acted towards their oysters, there will always be people who lined up to get shucked.

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[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 year ago

This is their downfall hiring that CEO and the leadership should be ashamed. I feel sorry for the employees who had no say in this and are being affected by their myopic choices.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago

Well as if it wasn't already obvious they were headed by conservatives...

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Starting to think unity doesn't have a pr team

[–] drwho 25 points 1 year ago

I think this is their PR team.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

it's a Profit Relations division

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's like he heard that there was no such thing as bad publicity and took that is literally as he possibly could

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He worked for EA. He has no idea how the industry works.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't EA during a partnership with Nintendo, suggest to them crippling Mario's Jump Height in order to sell "High Jump Boots" as DLC?

That genuinely reads like satire. What an awful corporate model, extracting every penny out of the workers and consumers to force that line to keep going up.

[–] cobra89 27 points 1 year ago

Lol could Unity have bungled this any harder??

[–] FISHNETS@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can understand Planned Parenthood maybe, heavily disagree, but whatever.

But a children's hospital? How could that ever be classed as a "political group"?

What a joke.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Depends what Childrens Hospital it is. Shriners? Sure, that's a charity. Mayo Clinic - Children's Wing? Definitely not a charity.

[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The unity CEO is an arsonist as he's set ablaze the whole company. Guy should be investigated for fraud and malfeasance.

[–] ulkesh 12 points 1 year ago

And yet when he is inevitably asked to resign, after years of this shit-show, he’ll get yet another golden parachute. Stupidity fails upwards in the United States. And half of this country applaud it.

[–] Vlhacs@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling PP a political org is too obtuse a message to view this response as a simple mistake or miscommunication. Unity is apparently run by conservative hacks and I hope they collapse.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

By responding with judgment (e.g. your charitable donations are invalid ) Unity is showing how other devs can expect to be treated when they try to negotiate with Unity on a case-by-case basis.

This shows Unity is looking for bad faith reasons by which to justify rejecting exceptions to the fees. It's a bad idea to expect exception to the new fees, even in the face of bankruptcy.

[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk why anyone trusts peddlers of proprietary bullshit

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For real dude it's really hard to feel bad for 2d game devs when an open source solution has been around for years.

It's like the whole xitter situation. Why would you want to stay on a platform that so obviously doesn't want you there? bUt MaStOdOn Is HaRd 🙄 grow up, move on, stop investing in capitalists ideas that only benefit you when it benefits them.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is victim blaming. These devs already made those games and released them before Unity made these decisions.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They chose to be a victim when they chose to support proprietary software.

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[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've been telling people not to tust proprietary software because, the only reason to keep things proprietary is to reserve the right to fuck over your customers.

Its like I told you not to play in traffic, but you chose to listen to the casket salesmen who benefit from your demise.

At some point it is the victims fault

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

planned parenthood is political yadda yadda yadda, but a children's hospital?

[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Planned parenthood shouldn't be political. In a few years drinking water well be seen as a policial statement against brawndo

[–] stillwater@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

It's only political because Conservative Christians made it one.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a registered 501c3. Whatever anybody's opinions, it's a legal charity.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously. I could see some right-wing shithead complaining about "evil" abortions, but who doesn't wanna save the lives of post-pregnancy children? Oh, that's right. Right-wing shitheads. As always.

[–] ChronosWing@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

And planned parenthood does WAY more than abortions. They save lives on the daily.

[–] heimchen@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are no child hospitals in the Bible 😡😡😡/s

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But they don’t want to cure cancer - they want to turn people into dinosaurs!

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[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I can’t speak for the EU, but in the US charities are federally recognized and there are tax deductions available for donating to them. This being said, it depends on what specific “Planned Parenthood” you donate to.

Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) works to support health care providers at Planned Parenthood health centers across the country, educate the public on issues of reproductive and sexual health, and advocate for policy to expand access to health care. PPFA is a 501(c)(3) organization, and donations are tax-deductible to the fullest extent allowable under the law.

Planned Parenthood Action Fund (PPAF) is the advocacy and political arm of Planned Parenthood, fighting to advance and expand access to sexual health care and defend reproductive rights. PPAF is a 501(c)(4) organization, and donations are not tax-deductible as a charitable contribution or business expense.

[–] 3TH4Li4@feddit.ch 9 points 1 year ago

Aight, hope they're ready to lay in their grave now. It's over.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean Planned Parenthood is explicitly NOT a charity. It's an ineffective Political Action Committee that spent decades bilking donations and wasn't even able to codify roe v wade. They don't deserve shit. Hospitals in the US are also explicitly not Charities. They may be non-profits, maybe, but they don't run on donations, they expect payments from patients for services rendered. There is no world where those examples of the failures of a Capitalist society should be considered a charity.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

There's a PAC of the name but Planned Parenthood proper is a 501(c)(3).

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Except they're literally a charity.

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