Masculation would be the opposite of emasculation. Masculine women are seen as butch, bull dykes, stuck up c*nts, etc., the same way feminine men are seen as weak, gay, sissies, pussies, etc.
this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2023
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Emasculation happens when 'feminine behaviour' in men removes pervieved power and agency and makes them feel degraded. Bare in mind, weakness is considered a feminine behaviour.
What removes power and agency from women is not us displaying masculinity, it's having our gender and sex used against us and/or against our will.
So being percieved as overly emotional/unstable, sexually promiscuous, not capable of intelligence or leadership, etc. and being raped and physically manhandled.
That is what is degrading to women.
Thats an interesting take.
I was working under a different understanding where emasculation is humiliation due to lack of 'traditional masculine trait' and the inverse hence being humiliation due to lack of 'traditional feminine trait'. I just found it interesting that that is not smth much talked about.
I was working under a different understanding where emasculation is humiliation due to lack of ‘traditional masculine trait’
Men who lack 'traditional masculine traits' or behave in 'un-manly' ways are referred to with what sort of language?
What are the humiliating comparisons made to these men?
Sissy, cucks etc there's a million terms out there.
Think about why is it demeaning to call a man a 'sissy'. What is that comparing him to?
And calling a man a cuck is emasculating because it implies he is weaker than, and controlled by, who?
The fact that there’s not an easily defined name for it should tell you something.
The long and short of it is that emasculation is what happens when people think someone isn’t acting enough like “a man,” or is stopping someone from doing so.
In women, it’s generally acting too much like a man. Getting called “shrill” or “aggressive” is something that frequently brought against women who take an assertive role. I’ve also seen women who were in senior positions asked to take notes during a meeting, as if they were a personal assistant rather than a manager.
Emasculation is treating a man as less than a man. As if he were a woman. The equivalent for a woman is treating her like society has traditionally treated a woman. Our current best word for that is probably “misogyny,” but we can unfortunately also go with “normal.”
Shakespeare used the word "unsex" for this, I think. It's been a while but maybe Lady Macbeth was an example?
Wow I didnt expect this answer!
"Come, you spirits That tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here, And fill me from the crown to the toe topful Of direst cruelty!"
Now the removal female qualities is the desire of the character herself as she wants the spirits to remove her feminine qualities and emotions, so I dont know if this would count since the lack of traditional gender traits is a positive or atleast desired aspect.
But great reference, I would never have thought of that.
What if your kids bond to a female friend and start calling her Mommy instead of you?
There is no equivalent because women are culturally allowed to enact both gender roles without taking on shame.
The shame a man is assigned when he either adopts or is cast into the feminine role is a asymmetrical aspect of our gender culture.
That normalization took many years & a lot of hard work. More femmeboys on the frontlines, and it's a matter of time.
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A bit of a different take on this are the sworn virgins of Albania. They give up their femininity, reproductive and sexual identity and are treated as male in every way.