Green - An environmentalist community

seriously let's fucking send all the jets and motor yachts to the bin before we start telling the common man things are his fucking fault

I've got you even better. For the past 15 years I haven't used a car to commute, and man do vegans NOT like the fact that their aesthetic lifestyle choice is meaningless compared to reliance on fossil fuels. Other countries have policies that genuinely reduce car culture, but holy fuck as soon as you suggest not living in the suburbs, vegans are up in arms about how America is just too big for such a thing to be possible.

Realistically, pushing veganism is simply a bad choice in America. Instead, we should be pushing a simple reduction in meat consumption. Just educate people and encourage them to REDUCE meat in their diet.

• Take away the government subsidies that make our meat artificially cheap, doing that alone will naturally raise meat prices and lower the average person's meat intake.

• Consider throwing a carbon tax on the types of meat with the greatest environmental impact, why not?

• If we want to be more equitable we could only tax the "luxury" meats (like goose, veal, lamb, oysters, or expensive beef cuts that are usually only purchased by upper class people anyway).

There are a lot of ways to skin this cat (lol), and I think we've sufficiently demonstrated that most Americans are WAY too resistant to cutting all meat out of their diet.

I'm not interested in veganism but I am interested (and practicing) massive reductionism, near vegetarianism.

I think that sliding scale of reduced meat consumption is the ONLY move that can be made. (Surprise? Lol)

Americans will accept reduced meat as alternatives are around, but it needs to be a "here's a new fun thing" not a "stop doing that"

@blindbunny @inasaba they're indeed driving global warming to the extreme with their cattle ranches and ignorance. They have a lack of education since primary school, most of them have no idea what evolution is, much less would they know what carbon emissions are!

ps. America is not a country but a Continent. It might be ok to call it like that within its limits, but we're in an international platform here, so please...

I reduce my meat intake but I'm not going to act holier than though and pretend it has anything to do animals.

When you tell me you're vegan you're telling me that's your identity as a person and no one wants to listen to you after that. It has nothing to do with what veganism is.

You can do anything you want, and any non-zero improvement is still an improvement. It's far better if everyone dropped their meat consumption by a third than a small number of people completely dropped it.

The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.