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In a recent interview with Moscow's state-run Russia-1, a clip of which circulated widely on social media Saturday, the newly appointed Colonel-General Andrey Mordvichev said that the war "will not stop here [in Ukraine]."

"If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then [the war] will be longer," he added.

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That feeling when the first stepping stone turned out to be an anti personnel mine and it blows your legs off πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The article links to this tweet here as a source.

I don't speak Russian, but I'm transcribing the English subtitles:

Interviewer: How long will the war last?

Mordvichev: I think there is plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to... of course, then it will be longer.

Interviewer: Ukraine is only a stepping stone?

Mordichev: Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning. I think all kinds of ideologists and instigators of this war will not stop here.

Since he's a Russian general, I assume that by "instigators and ideologists of this war" he means someone higher up in the US or NATO. Certainly he's not referring to Putin or the Kremlin. And he's saying they will not stop here.

[–] 0x815@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not that I think you'll understand given your 'assumption', but as Russia is the aggressor here and it was Russia that invaded Ukraine, your comment doesn't make any sense.

[–] FaulerFuffi@feddit.de 36 points 1 year ago

It does imo. The headline suggests that the general plans to invade europe. But actually in his (fucked up) worldview he frames the west of wanting to invade russia. Would be a completely different story. That Russia IS the aggressor is irrelevant to the generals subjective view, ain't it?

[–] Piers 4 points 1 year ago

Iirc the Russian military has a huge number of generals. This might be more like "random local council representative spouts off about national politics" than "senior military leader states top level policy."

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NATO has 500,000 active troops, and the largest Navy and Air Force in the world. Ain't happening, sweetheart. Especially since Ukraine has taken 50% of the Russian combat capabilities.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And what happens if 45 returns to power and pulls out of NATO while the alt-reich wack jobs continue to get Voted into power in the EU Countries?

[–] Turun@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As if the US would not sell weapons to Europe. Even without sending troops (or rather even if recalling all troops currently stationed in Europe) the US arms industry would not let such an opportunity for extra profits pass. And as we see in Ukraine weapon systems can compensate for a lot of manpower.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Relevance? Under 2025 plan the US would be selling weapons to anyone with cash including Al-Qaeda as long as 45 got a cut.

[–] Turun@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Relevance? You asked a hypothetical question what would happen if trump got reelected and withdrew from NATO. My answer is that the US arms industry would continue to support Europe, because it would be profitable. I fail to see how you could have read that as not relevant.

I understand your comment as a counter argument, that the US would sell to anyone, as long as trump gets a cut. So if they sell to Russia and Europe, does it still matter? Yes, because Europe has more money.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

and they'd support Russia as well, probably on more favorable terms as 45 is a well known Putin cock holster. Not sure that can be placed in a reliable category. Like starlink...

[–] Chup@feddit.de 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is kinda known since the war started and Lukashenko presented a map of the 'special military operation' with attack paths into all of Ukraine, as well of Moldova. It was never just a few regions of Ukraine as Russia keeps repeating, it was the whole country and more from the beginning.

Any search engine will do for: Lukashenko map attack

[–] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

It was never just a few regions of Ukraine as Russia keeps repeating, it was the whole country and more from the beginning.

How could anyone even believe that when they invaded Kiev on the very first day? Why invade the capital if not to overtake the country?

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Even assuming it’s true (for the sake of argument) why would you say such a thing?

Especially if it’s true.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago

To get the country behind the idea of fighting a long hard war. That is needed right now fighting Ukraine and much more of it is needed, if they would fight the EU.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because things have gone south so hard, that self-sabotage might be the easier way out, by now.

[–] cloud@lazysoci.al 1 points 1 year ago

To get everyone at war and boost military industry sales

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

wouldn't matter if it wasn't, ukraine as a free nation is worth saving

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago

Seems like they will choke on this "stepping stone"..

[–] HappyMeatbag 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If this were just a video game, or something without actual lives at stake, I’d tell Putin to go ahead and try. Russia’s loss would be quick, decisive, and thorough. Russia’s ineptitude has been so complete that future generations will have a hard time believing it.

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

Somehow i doubt that will work... lol

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

and 3 days from now they will be in Kyiv

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Putin launched the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, sparking fears from many analysts that the Kremlin may have greater ambitions beyond taking control of its former Soviet neighbor.

Russian commentators and lawmakers have often heightened those fears with their anti-North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) rhetoric throughout the warβ€”routinely encouraging direct strikes on European and even American targets.

In a recent interview with Moscow's state-run Russia-1, a clip of which circulated widely on social media Saturday, Mordvichev said he believes Putin's war will last quite a long time and expand in the future.

The Russian leader and his allies have repeatedly said they do not view Ukraine as independent from Russia, saying that the sovereign nation should be brought back under Moscow's control.

Analysts have citied the Russian president's vision and the suggestions to expand the war from his various allies as worrying signs that Moscow could push its military efforts beyond Ukraine.

NATO leaders have defended their military and humanitarian aide to Ukraine, saying their aim is to prevent Putin from pushing his forces further west into Europe.


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[–] cloud@lazysoci.al 2 points 1 year ago

Watch out for the propaganda, governments needs to scare off people to control them and to enforce laws. Even if they want to invade the entire world as long as you believe in freedom you can shrug them off with a stick.

[–] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

One more reason to get Ukraine into NATO asap

Russia is toothless at this point