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[–] li10@feddit.uk 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s because it has, but it’s nice that people seem to be realising that at least.

It’s the first step (of many) to getting stuff back on track.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I hope the momentum of this lasts for longer than 3 days after the election

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alternative title: People have eyes

If you cut funding to public services obviously they get worse this is not exactly a revelation. It's not that they don't know what they're doing they just don't care and they think they'll going to get away with it.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I sincerely hope they do not. I am following the tenacity that some are fighting Trump in the US. We could use some of that here.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm all for imprisoning Boris. He's committed enough crimes to have several life sentences by now, we just need to pick some of them.

My concern is that at the next election the Greens and the lib Dems will split the left-wing vote. So I sincerely hope that labor get their heads out of the their arse and present an actual manifesto with some actual substance to it. I'm concerned they won't.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

If you listened to Ed Davey on the rest is politics last week, then you would have an impression that the LD has one main aim and that is to remove the Tories from power. I got the impression that they are willing to make sacrifices to achieve that. I do not think Labour are willing to bend as much.

[–] jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This "everything is worse" feeling is not something that has any link to any political party.

If life is percieved to get worse under any party's reign, whether to Tories as is the case now, Labour if they were elected, or SNP or whatever, they will blame whoever is in charge at the moment.

It's happening now, it's happening with the Democrats in the US, with Liberals in Canada, and to a lesser extent, the ruling coalition in Germany with AfD getting a surge thanks to people just generally discontent with life.

How much of that is their fault is something up for debate. It's not 100% their fault, and it also isn't 100% not their fault either. The same reactionary thoughts that are coming now from this here are giving the Conservative party in Canada a resurgence. I have a feeling most of you don't like that, but it's the truth.

When people are thinking life is getting worse, they will vote in whoever is not part of the current leadership.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clearly you are not from the UK, or you would not be saying this. Every single service in the UK has deteriorated badly under this government. I don't mean feels badly, it is statistically much worse. The UK has been subjected to a heist where they have stolen billions from us. Google Michelle Mone, Sunak's family gain when he "gave" new oil licenses, the peerage being sold, the Russian influence, and the list goes on and on.

[–] nanometre 1 points 1 year ago

I would also like to point out just how LONG it's been a Tory government. Even though Torylite Blair gave the UK a "break", it has been the Tories specifically eroding any welfare the country has had over a long period of time.

[–] GeofCox@climatejustice.social 3 points 1 year ago

@jray4559 @Syldon

Lots of people really, really want transformative change, whether it's because of climate-ecological breakdown, rabid inequality, or just because they've been economically hard-pressed for years, and see no way out, even for their children.

They are moving to political extremes. Sometimes this means to the left - in much of Europe 10 years ago radical parties like Syriza and Podemos swept away the old centre-left - the Communist Party were in the radical left coalition government in Portugal (very successful, by the way); Sanders almost won the US Democrat nomination (and probably would have beaten Trump). But some also moved to the radical right - a slower burn, but perhaps now gathering more force.

It's true that this longing for real change often means rejecting, reacting against incumbents - but it goes deeper. A mere change of ruling party won't crack it - indeed, my own belief is that if say a 'moderate' Labour Party gets elected in the UK and doesn't radically change anything much, the reaction will be subsequent election of an even more extreme and empowered right than the Tories are now. Maybe that's what Biden has done in the US (though he has been much more radical than UK Labour promises - and has kept radicals like Sanders and AOC on board, which Starmer hasn't).

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Because it has & it's measurable in several different metrics.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TBF at this point the tories think the tories have gotten worse under the tories.

It's like woolworth's employees sticking around to the final day, so they can continue to steal sweets from the pick n mix.

[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago