Asklemmy

Oh god 100%.

This isn't a matter of life or death, Nicole. This is a Disney Store in a mid-tier mall.

it's actually a blue collar job where they do quite a bit of physical labor, at least the good ones. I have more respect for that then a lot of white collar jobs.

Assistant General Managers are even more serious so the sales people pick on them all the time.

Brb gonna go try to hack the NSA so I have something else to be stressed about

You're that camper. Turn the music off.

Maybe I'm biased since I recently started working as a software dev, but you don't need to be really good to get a job as a programmer. I'm evidence of that.

damn dude know your audience, you're on Lemmy lol

It is a career, for sure. It can be hard to get into, but I’ve been in the industry for a long time and I have worked with people who have been paid a developer’s salary for years who were unbelievably bad at their jobs.

I used to manage a software team - once I was trying to explain something to a coworker and asked them to write some code to loop from 1 to 10 for me, and they couldn’t do it. I even prompted them by saying “you know, write a for loop” and they said that they kinda knew what for loop was, but they wouldn’t know how to write one. I asked them to give it their best shot, just write the word “for” and then see what flows from there, but they were just not able to proceed. I explained how to do it to them, and then they asked me what an int (integer) was… but I had already explained what an int was the day prior. This person had an honours degree in computer science.

I’d say there are a lot of developers who are barely competent at copy/pasting code from stack overflow until it works. Maybe 10-20% of the people in SMEs are that. The majority are pretty decent, but kinda lazy. Then there are the incredibly competent and hard-working people who are like gold dust. A really good developer who isn’t a complete drama king/queen, has good communication skills and just gets on with their work instead of getting sucked into personal pet projects is incredibly rare.

Not sure where you're from, but here in the states, if you have a basic ability to code from a bootcamp or even self taught with a portfollio, you'll pretty easily get hired making anywhere from 45-55k a year. And after about 2-4 years, you'll pretty easily be making 70-90k sometimes more depending on where you live.

I sucked balls at programming and made six figures.

You can still use programming to leverage your current position.

If you work admin in an office and are able to automate a bunch of workflows with some simple scripts, you'll have more leverage when salary raises start to get discussed.

Will your code be at the level a professional programmer would produce? Probably not, but you're not competing with one.

any money

Can you please define that? Being the Internet, some define it as US$1 or US$250,000.

Maybe if you are a freelance programmer working out of a coffee shop...?

Skilled work often is an art.

In an interesting and challenging field, yes, you need to be really good at it because everyone wants to do it. But if you are willing to work on anything, like an ASP.NET Web Forms site built in 2005, that the business is entirely dependent upon to function in even the most basic capacity, with more technical debt than anyone would ever care to deal with, and no time allowed to refactor, you can make quite a nice living.

That’s why I switched sides. From programming myself to developing functions and writing requirements which someone else can implement into code. :)

I could do some programming (did embedded C), but surely I wasn’t the very best in it. So now I’m the guy who defines what a small (but essential) part of SW has to do which will run in hopefully a few million cars in a couple of years. :) Much more fun (and money).

I consider programming skills a very valuable skill that unlocks many career options, but if your job is morning but pure programming, yeah most people are not cut out for it.

it's one of the most important professions but okay tell me more about how mrs dunn was mean to you and you suck at fractions

I love teaching, but the job of being a schoolteacher scares the heck out of me. Trying to earn the respect of 30 kids, while working from some standardized lesson plan, it sounds awful. I wouldn’t last a month.

High school students are raging psychopaths. Being a teacher there is a life of eternal psychic warfare. It warps you, body and mind.