Check out the Fairphone 4/5 running /e/OS. To get a "stock" phone that comes degoogled and ready to use, no tinkering required, you can buy a phone directly from the makers of /e/OS/: Murena
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/e/os is often multiple versions behind for their forked apps, including vulnerabilities. Not a good choice from what ive seen. A dev for divestos cataloged the problems iirc
The announcement of the Fairphone 5 was the starting point of my doubts to just get the next iPhone :D. First android phone with a really long promised update duration that I am aware of. Thanks for the tip with eos, will check it out.
Fairphone 3 with /e/ is still a viable option if you don't have the budget for the 4/5!
Android is primarily sponsored and advertised by Google, which is basically the world's largest advertising company that also happens to have an IT department.
iOS is exclusively sponsored and advertised by Apple, which is basically a large IT company that makes most of its money with rather expensive hardware.
One of those is a wiser choice if you care about your privacy.
So hoping apple is not selling my data, because they make enough money with their hardware sales?
This is at least a big difference in the business models of the two companies. Thanks for the input!
What I struggle a little to understand: How does the add business of google affect my privacy? Is not google also collecting the data for internal use only? If they would sell the data, everybody could also target adds like they do. As I understand it they sell add placement and allow the buyer to target a specific group of people, but without selling the data they used to create the profiles. Or am I mixing something up?
So hoping apple is not selling my data, because they make enough money with their hardware sales?
More or less, yes. Because they don't need the money.
How does the add business of google affect my privacy?
Google's whole business model is selling your private data. Or which product did you buy from them?
Because they don't need the money.
Until investors start throwing a fit when number doesn't go up every year for all eternity.
Make no mistake: your data is just as sellable by Apple as anyone else.
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You understood capitalism
People really like to crap on apple for reasons justified and not. But when it comes to privacy there's a pretty clear difference in the track records for Google and Apple. Here are some articles that might be worth a read in helping you decide. Really what it boils down to is what matters most to you. Apple may have the better privacy record, but it also locks you into a garden with very high walls. Google/android architecture may be a lot more versatile and provide more hardware options and customizability, but they will harvest and sell every scrap of data they can get their hands on.
https://9to5mac.com/2022/08/25/apple-collect-less-data-than-other-companies/
https://www.tomsguide.com/face-off/iphone-vs-android
The big issues with iPhone I have are overly complicated, overly expensive, walled garden, and so locked down you cannot remote control, and cannot install your own software from your own sources. Researchers cannot even easily reaseach security issues and they do have them.
So with all that, iPhone is a no for me. On the other hand probably more secure. It is also not from an Ad company which is good.
Whether Apple or Google collects/abuse more data, I'm not sure.
But I prefer iOS's design for app security. iOS apps are more restricted than Android apps in general, and when iOS apps require permissions they prompt clearly.
Most Android apps seem to have excessive permissions by default. The Play Store is a mess and the "Data safety" section is worse than useless, with scammers self-declaring the apps as "no data collected".
You've used android. You've used iOS. Time to get a Linux phone. I'd suggest PinePhone.
Edit - Take a look at this post Open Source sub-lemmy.
Good for testing/shits and giggles. Not for daily driver
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Probably depends largely on how you plan to use it. Android gives you the ability to download FOSS apps from F-Droid (or Obtainium, ...). Being unable to do this because of iOS would be a huge minus for me in both usability and privacy/security. If you never plan to use that though, it becomes a lot closer.
If you want the best stock experience, I recommend getting a Google Pixel. It gets fast updates, has 5 years of support and is one of the most secure devices you can get hardware-wise. You also have the option of installing GrapheneOS on it (which is very quick and easy through the web installer), which is likely the best OS for privacy and security. It also gives you the option of using Google Services in a sandbox, which probably doesn't even feel much different from using stock google android.