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[–] Treemaster099@pawb.social 77 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The US really is becoming a third world country by the day, isn't it. God I hate it here

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And it's bleeding into Canada.

[–] AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the part that pisses me off the most. The cancer that is American politics is infecting our country. Now we got dumb fucks like Danielle Smith and PP crying about the "woke" agenda and other imported republican bullshit. Even worse, it's working extremely well on the dumbest of our population and spreading like wildfire.

Fuck America and their sports team politics. People need to realize it should be working class VS the rich, but they keep us distracted and divided with this dumb fucking culture war and the morons are lapping it up.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

PP, Ford, Smith, RW municipal politicians are grinding away at Canadian democracy as we speak.

[–] TheTallestOfMidgets@partizle.com 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I agree that in a lot of the states people can be pretty nasty towards LGBTQ+ people, but saying it is becoming a third world country is a bit extreme no?

[–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 17 points 1 year ago

One of the common data points used by organizations to rate a country as "third world" or not is the state of its infrastructure. In that department, the US is certainly closer to third world countries than we are to our European brethren. It's been ignored and underfunded for so long that there are many places where it's quite literally falling apart, and that's not even getting into the state of public transit (or lack thereof) or how the single family suburb sprawl is slowly bleeding cities dry of their capital.

There are other horrible things like parts of the US that have never had plumbing (Appalachia comes to mind) or things like the Flint, Michigan crisis (do they have drinkable water? I think as of last year they still didn't. They might be able to take showers again, though, without causing permanent health issues for their kids). We have higher rates of women who die during childbirth than some third world countries. The quality of healthcare here is ranked the worst out of the first world nations while also being the most expensive. The wealthy go to Canada for prescriptions and surgery, or Mexico for dental work - Mexico apparently has better dentists than the US from what I've heard. We are #1 in number of incarcerated citizens per capita. The wealth disparity in the US today is supposedly worse than it was in France in the years just before the French Revolution, where the price of a loaf of bread was more than a day's pay for the average worker. Upward class mobility (being born into a poor family and being able to become wealthy) is the lowest it's been, I think, since the country was founded. A year or two before COVID happened, I was looking into starting a side business and found studies saying that a new business was more likely to fail today than in the Great Depression. If I remember the stats right, it was something like 40% of businesses fail in their first year, another 20% in their second year, and by year 4, 80% of new businesses have gone under.

I've heard the US described as "a third world country in a Prada belt," and I think it's an apt description. Policy-wise, we're closer to third world countries than we'd like to admit. We've just been living off the postwar economic boom from WW2 that centered the US as the world's largest economy and wealthiest nation to ever exist. The sheer amount of money circulating in our economy has kept the nation chugging along through whatever stupid things the corporations and the politicians have done over the years.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's hyperbole brought to you by keyboard doomers who've never left their state much less their country. Talk to me when huge regions lack electricity or indoor plumbing.

Anybody interested in seeing that can hop over the border to Tijuana and check out villages on hillsides essentially made from trash where all the buildings are particle board and cinder block. There's shitty parts of the rural south, but to claim they're the same demonstrates a profound lack of perspective. I dunno, maybe it's gotten better since the late 90s when I was there, but there are degrees to these things.

We can discuss America's fascism problem without being ridiculous muppets and or Kremlin/CCP propaganda vehicles.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Talk to me when huge regions lack electricity or indoor plumbing

cough Texasgrid cough

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Texas is a state, dear. Administrative incompetence notwithstanding, it still has better infrastructure than a good portion of the world and pretty much all of what we'd consider the "3rd world." And also, they only have the problems they have because they deliberately cut themselves off from the national grid.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cut the goalpost crap. You said talk to you when huge regions lose power, texas is 7% of the goddamn country and it lost power for an extended period - and still has an unstable grid! - due to corrupt pocket lining.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do you understand the difference between power outages and there being no infrastructure at all in the first place? And, AS I MENTIONED, Texas is in the spot it's in because they refuse to work with the rest of the grid.

The goalposts aren't moving, you just have no idea where they were. I'm guessing due to critical failures in reading comprehension or being paid in rubles.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

Flail harder.

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You must be fun at parties.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

You must play Stairway in guitar shops.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's because you removed the goalposts entirely.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

Texas is a state

... but, you seem to be suggesting, not a huge region.

Have you seen it? It's huge! And it's a region!

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

California has been having rolling blackouts too, which you forgot while you've had your head up your ass and were smelling your own shit.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, clearly the US is a 3rd world country because some states experience occasional issues with their grids. This doesn't happen anywhere else in the "first world." Oh, wait.

If you're smelling shit, he that smelt it dealt it.

Or you could cut the playground crap and argue like a grownup, whatever.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for setting an example of how to argue like a grownup.

[–] pbjamm 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where was that happening? I lived in California 30 years (until last month) and had not experienced a rolling blackout since the ENRON era.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

It's a meaningless term that is mostly used as a libel and only muddies discussions.

[–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well akchually the USA can never become a third world country, because the designations come from the cold war and first world means US aligned, second world means UdSSR aligned and third world are the neutral countries.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Let's just say civilized then.

The US is no longer a civilized nation.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yep a better one might be developed/developing, since that's what people are usually thinking about when they use those terms

[–] Treemaster099@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Idk. The us population definitely isn't aligned with the us government or vice versa.

Jokes aside, that's pretty interesting. I didn't know that's where those terms came from

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry, man. I came back from America because if the healthcare, but now I avoid visiting my friends in NY/NJ/GA/WA/CA because of all the usual concerns -- and me with so much privilege I need a boat or a Dodge ram.

Stay safe. We'll gain land in the 2029 water wars and you can either join us or join the independent states then.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey good news! I just picked up several prescriptions and there was NO COPAY!!! Yay!

[–] pbjamm 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just moved to BC and have no medical/dental insurance yet. Last week I had to pay out-of-pocket to see a dentist and got a prescription for antibiotics. I paid less than I ever did in the US where I did have insurance. Less than CA$100 to see a dentist, get an xray and the prescription. Mindblowing.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow. Good for you though! I hope BC keeps treating you well!

[–] pbjamm 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks! So far I am loving it. Real test will be when the kids start school next week :)

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not just the US, it's also across the Atlantic on our side of the western world

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

AfD still convinced Trump will save Germany ΰ² _ΰ² 

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good move. We need to be vigilant because Canadian RW politicians are attempting to bring US GOP bigot legislation here as well. #NeverVoteConservative

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

Conservatives would love to pull this garbage here. We're already seeing attempts in Saskatchewan and Alberta. #NeverVoteConservative

[–] Electricorchestra@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Canada about to issue a LGBTQ+ travel advisory for Saskatchewan the way shit is going here.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't forget New Brunswick.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

PP gets in, all bets are off.

[–] Electricorchestra@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Imagine our surprise watching that from over here then our Education minister saying "I want some of that."

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And they should. If you aren't going to California, Hawaii, or Massachusetts... you should be careful about vetting the state you plan on visiting. Things have gotten very nasty in "red states" over the last few years.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oregon, Washington, and most of the Northeast are fine.

Just stay away from the South. This has always been good advice and remains good advice.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Still, you get 10 min outside of a city in Oregon and you start seeing Trump signs

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

The US divide is really less Blue vs. Red states and more rural vs urban areas.

[–] bermuda 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Same in Washington. You're mostly safe along I-5 and WA-101 but towns outside of those two highways can get very conservative very fast.

You have some pockets east of the mountains like Spokane and the tri cities that are slightly liberal but there's a reason most of the Republican house representatives come from the east side of the state.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

At first I thought that this sounds a little extreme, but then I remembered that even if you aren't LGBTQ, you still need to watch out for the mass shootings. So being any kind of minority kind of ups your odds of being murdered.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

So, when does the travel advisory expand to Saskatchewan, New Brunswick, and Stornoway?