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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 98 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Didn't Jesus say something along the lines of "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"? Sounds to me like he was pro taxes.

[–] xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 1 year ago

Matthew 22:20,21: He said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”

[–] ReCursing@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No he didn't. That line was added at the Council of Nicea a couple of hundred years later

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago

Every line in the Bible about Jesus was added later.

[–] wasabi@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ReCursing@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My A-Level in biblical criticism thirty years ago. Sorry, I don't have the notes any more. Maybe google can help?

[–] wasabi@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I couldn't find anything that supports your claim

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s the obligation of whoever makes a claim to support the claim, not of those who doubt it.

[–] ReCursing@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Reasonable were this a formal debate, bit sadly it's not and I really don't care enough to check. Disbelieve me, believe me, or check for your yourself as you see fit

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s

except that's not what taxes are - taxes are citizens money going in to a pot to pay for things citizens need.
Also doesn't sound like something Jesus would say (in the context being portrayed) considering how much he hated the rich and their greed (to be clear, I'm not even christian, but this is well known).
Either way, some rich fuck trying to claim them for themsleves (or whoever added it later to serve the ruler of the time) doesn't change what taxes are.

I love people so deliberately missing the point.. Fuck Jesus and what he did or didn't say, taxes aren't for and don't belong to the ruler of a country/community/whatever, no matter what that ruler tells you, it really isn't that fucking complicated.

[–] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also doesn't sound like something Jesus would say

It is literally something he said, after specifically being asked about paying taxes.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

Someone else said this line was a later addition.

[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 16 points 1 year ago

There is a verse in the Bible which specifically says you have to follow the law unless it conflicts with the Bible.

[–] RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

omw to look at the comments to see if it actually does

ITT:

A lot of people that don't get the anti-Roman rabble rouser was sneakily saying Caesar isn't owed anything by Judaea.

[–] QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago
[–] blankluck@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It actually is in favour of tax fraud painting the tax collectors as evil

[–] xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

Matthew 22:20,21: He said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”

[–] blankluck@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get

The Pharisee paints the tax collector as evil, but the pharisee is the bad guy in this story. Literally the next two verses:

13 But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to raise his eyes toward heaven, but was beating his chest, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other one; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

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