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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 151 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Never do anything on work machines/networks you don't want to have to explain to hr/legal.

[–] teft@startrek.website 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also do some really weird things that are innocuous so the HR lady looks at you weird from now on.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. Everyone could use that reminder

[–] PeachMan@lemmy.one 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they can, they literally own the machine. You don't own it, so don't treat it like it's your own private job hunting platform or porn viewer.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, this regular "surprise" that work computers are... IDK... owned by work and are configured as the owner requires... is so strange to me.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Your work can also read your private Slack messages. You have been warned.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I used TOR at work once, to download some RPMs. Corp IT had a fucking meltdown

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago

I can't imagine why

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

RPM in this context means what?

[–] Rescuer6394@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i think they are a package of some distribution.

like .deb for Ubuntu or .exe for windows.

[–] mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] rah@feddit.uk 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

your work sees all your browser history

Possibly, if they've bothered to configure their machines that way. And only on the browsers they've configured that way and only on their machines.

Also, please don't assume that your work operates the same way as everyone else's work.

[–] Ecology8622@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We have that capability but dont really have the time or need for it. having said that, it only takes one rouge employee to mess it up for everyone else.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

it only takes one rouge employee

What about a pink employee?

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav 11 points 1 year ago

Sir, that is not an employee. That is a pig.

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[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I work in cybersec - I’m not going to speak for all businesses or individuals but I will give you my perspective.

Sometimes we need to see browser history to help with timeline correlation, it’s mainly to see “how did this file get here, was it downloaded etc.

Sometimes the investigators need to check out the things they need to check out, BUT

BUT

It needs to be done precisely and sparingly where needed only. This means instead of going through the entire history file, or doing unrelated correlation work (spying on you without cause) you are going to only grab specific timeframes from things you suspect explicitly to prevent any overreach. It’s a tricky balance to hold but also why it’s so important for people in tech to be privacy advocates as well.

There’s a difference between searching for answers to a problem that arose and looking for/predicting problems (thought crime detected!)

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I also work in cybersecurity. Second everything this person said.

This thread is a good reminder, because at many organizations HR / management can and will look at your browser history (and computer activity in general) as a method of monitoring performance and staying in control.

But at my organization, we have never once looked at anyone's browser history (and I know that HR hasn't because they would have to go through us). We certainly could if we were asked to and we would if there was an incident (what we would care about is sensitive / confidential information getting leaked or suspicious activity on the network using a specific person's credentials, suggesting those credentials may be compromised). But in almost 2 years (we're a startup in the aerospace electronics sector) we have never once had cause to do that and we have a philosophy that happy relaxed employees who feel trusted by their employer are the kinds of employees that we want, so we wouldn't intrude that way without cause ever.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I third(?) this. Security and IT teams are too busy to be monitoring your everyday habits. Sure, they can see your history if they wanted to, but they won’t unless there is an appropriate justification to do so, and it’s usually triggered by an incident or HR. There also stricit rules with doing so because employees still have the right to their own privacy. It’s not like HR can just go over to the security guy and ask them to pull someone’s browsing history.

[–] _MusicJunkie 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Same for our company, and all companies whose security folks I've had a chat with. We don't give a fuck what you do on your computer. Almost all security folks are into privacy themselves, additionally to simply not having the time to look at people's browser history or traffic or whatever.

Yes, we have the option to collect data. No, we don't look at it unless there is a very good reason to do so. And we protect that data, HR or whoever can't just have it if they feel like taking a look. There is a process to protect the data, because that means protecting the company.

Your security team is not the enemy.

[–] angelsomething@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

I agree with you completely

[–] regalia@literature.cafe 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Until you get asked by HR why you're breaking their policies by clearing history and why you're doing it. If it's a work device that's not yours, don't expect privacy. It's their property.

[–] skookumasfrig@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't need the computer to see everywhere you've gone. I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for clearing their history, but lots of people who have had problems visiting questionable sites.

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[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's not how it works in civilized countries that provide worker's rights by law

[–] regalia@literature.cafe 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have a very hard time believing that lol. Doesn't matter what country, it's still the companies property, and the work you're doing in it is still considered their property. It's not a personal device. What a pretentious statement.

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[–] angelsomething@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I’m an infrastructure analyst and at my workplace I implement such rules for specific reasons: 1) we need to be able to have evidence should an employee act maliciously with a company device. We do also monitor all queries but it’s passive. We can drill into your browsing history in great detail but won’t unless we have to (speaking personally here as I follow the code). 2) people will do dumb shit. And will lie to get support. Now, having been on the other end of a support ticket, I get it. Unless you lie a little, you may not get support promptly. Therefore, it’s part of my job to check what’s the lie and what’s the actual issue, which includes being able to see the download history. I would not be surprised if malware is accidentally downloaded and then it autonomously removes itself from the download history as It has happened before. Strictly speaking, this is done for both your safety as well as that of the company. And generally speaking, you should NEVER use your work laptop/phone/iPad for personal use because of all of the above.

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[–] UsernameLost@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh no, my employer might find out I'm looking for other jobs after being overloaded for a year and a half and constantly having my concerns/feedback/process improvement initiatives brushed aside.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have been hinting to my manager for 6-9 months that he needs to move part of my workload elsewhere so that I can focus and actually achieve something. To think, all it took was for me to tell him straight that I was unhappy and unfulfilled to the point that I was considering resigning. Suddenly he's all apologies and let's make changes because you're kind of vital and we don't want to lose you.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So only watch mainstream porn on work computers, got it.

I've always assumed work will be looking at the browser history. Anyone who assumes they won't is an idiot.

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[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Anyone know exactly what they could see if you're on a personal device but work-wifi?

[–] freundTech@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Usually the websites and apps you use, but not what specific page you visit and it's content.

If you for example visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States they could see that you visited https://en.wikipedia.org/ but nothing more.

This is assuming that the website is encrypted (it starts with https://, not http://), which nowadays luckily most websites are. Otherwise they can see the specific page, it's content and most likely also all information you input on that page.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

My work runs MITM with corporate certificates, so they can see everything no matter whether it's encrypted or not. If you don't accept the certificates to let them monitor, you can't browse.

Therefore, I just don't use it.

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[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

if you don't have your personal browsing using a private profile of a secondary browser which you know you can delete, you are doing it wrong.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That might not be enough. I could monitor that on all the devices I manage, if I need to. There are tools to dump browsing info as it's being committed, or it's easy to pipe all the traffic from your machine through a VPN to a firewall I manage with a trusted cert injection into your device and inspect the traffic in transit. If you don't want your employer to see what your up to, don't use their infrastructure.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Joke's on you, I'm the network admin in the office.

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[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 5 points 1 year ago

What are you talking about? They definitely dont see what I browse in a whonix Qube..

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