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[โ€“] DessertStorms@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about, in the spirit of science and discovery, instead of that of capitalism, we stop aiming for competition and instead focus on co-operation?

[โ€“] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What are you trying to say? The EU is finally doing the exact same thing the US did to breed SpaceX. Which currently has 70% of world payload volume to space

[โ€“] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not until a European company produces reusable rockets. This has generally been opposed at Arianespace because it reduces the amount of work available in the host countries

[โ€“] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has generally been opposed at Arianespace because it reduces the amount of work available in the host countries

That is literally the most foolish statement I have ever read. This attitude will literally make them go bankrupt. The only reason Arianespace still exists is because it's massively subsidized by the EU, it's basically a jobs program. What they're doing is nowhere near competitive with reusable rockets

[โ€“] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, and everyone knows Arianespace needs a reusable rocket now, but they never could start development until existentially threatened, so they start from scratch now

[โ€“] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

*did. They definitely could have

[โ€“] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Physically yes, politically no.

[โ€“] Mopswasser@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. The talent is long gone or would demand incentives we cannot guarantee.

[โ€“] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Talent is gone where ?

There is talent for aerospace in Europe, with around 120 000 employees for Airbus, 50 000 for Safran plus all their subcontractor you already have a good proof that there is a pool of aerospace tangents in Europe.

I think the talent is there but no political will to support it.

[โ€“] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plus, are we imagining that no one would be willing to move to Europe to work with space rockets? It's harder to get people to move, sure, but it's not impossible, especially not when you can offer a healthy work-life balance as opposed to giving yourself a burnout at CosmosTwitter for a billionaire with a complex.

[โ€“] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

CosmosTwitter offers three times the salary, though. Hard to compete with that.

[โ€“] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Work-life balance is very important to some, and with cost-of-living adjustments the difference in money after all bills have been paid isn't quite as big. Do get the point though, but I certainly don't think it's impossible, especially not if you want senior personnel who likely want to be able to spend some time with their families.

[โ€“] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

You'd think so, but I'm not convinced. Maybe toxic workaholic culture propaganda has gotten to me, but it seems like the most impactful people enjoy long hours anyway.