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.yaml, .toml, etc?

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[–] pileghoff@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago

I usually use Json5. It's JSON, but with all the weird quirks fixed (comments added, you can use hex numbers, you can have trailing commas etc.)

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 15 points 1 year ago

The one with a validator provided to the user.

[–] simonced@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

A lot of good answers but I would add one note:

  • use a format that supports comments, and JSON is not one of those...
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

json with comments can be parsed by a yaml parser. It's how I write yaml, in fact (yaml is a superset of json. any valid json is valid yaml, but it also supports comments)

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

I believe the JSON deserializer .NET ships with has options to allow C#-style comments in JSON files.

[–] kersplort@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

JSON5 is a superset of JSON that supports comments.

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[–] aport@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Give the windows registry a shot.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yaml for me, I really like it. And the fact that every valid JSON is also a valid YAML is nice.

[–] argv_minus_one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please do not use YAML. It's a syntactic minefield. It also doesn't allow tab indentation, which is supremely irritating.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

As I said, I like it the most, so I will use it. I like its syntax (except for yes and no for booleans, but nothing's perfect). I don't care much for tabs vs spaces, I use tab in my IDE and whatever it does, it does.

[–] magnus@lemmy.ahall.se 4 points 1 year ago

YAML here as well.

Configuration many levels deep gets so much harder for me to read and write in JSON with all [], {} and ""

Also the lack of comments... And YAML still is more used in software I'm using than JSON5, so I'd rather skip yet another format/library to keep track of.

[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

It depends what you need your configuration file to be:

Need a well defined easy to understand concrete configuration file?

  • Use .toml. It was made to be both human and computer friendly while taking special attention to avoid the pitfalls commonly found in other configuration files by explicitly stating expected types around commonly confused areas.

Need a simple to implement configuration file?

  • Use .json. It's famous for being so simple it's ~~creator~~ "discoverer" could define it on a business card.

Need an abstract configuration file for more complicated setups?

  • Use .ncl. Nickle allows you to define functions so that you can generate/compute the correct configuration by changing a few variables/flags.
[–] Andy@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

https://nestedtext.org/

It's like yaml but simple, consistent, untyped, and you never need to escape any characters, ever.

Types and validation aren't going to be great unless they're in the actual code anyway.

[–] Edo78@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago

It really depends. I usually prefer json. It's easily understandable from humans and from machines, it doesn't depends on indentation and above everything else I like it very much 🤣

[–] bignavy@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kersplort@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

XML would be great if it wasn't for the extended XML universe of namespaces and imports.

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[–] philm@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Depends on what you mean exactly with "file format".

If declarative functional programming falls under that, I think something like Nickel, the already mentioned Dhall or Nix. Though Nix more so for packaging and some kind of system management (NixOS?), it's not easily embeddable into a runtime (your app?). Nickel or Dhall is better for that, as they are built from ground up with that in mind, Nickel is maybe the successor of Nix as it is inspired by Dhall and Nix (one goal is to use Nickel as frontend).

The reason why I recommend a simple declarative language, is that they are IMHO much better composable as it lets the user hide boilerplate via functions. I almost always feel limited by static configuration formats like yaml, json etc..

[–] vrkr@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No reason to go beyond simple key-value format like dotenv or just env variables. If you need more structure then maybe you are confusing configuration with state and this is not really the same thing.

[–] Reihar 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember reading that article a while ago that I believe expresses concisely why yaml is rarely (almost never?) a good choice.

I would agree with the TOML recommendation at the end of the article or to switch to an even simpler format for simpler needs, something easy to read, hard to mess up when writing and easy to parse. I'm not sure about that scale, maybe ini files? Suggestions are welcome.

[–] lorefnon@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Tyson is nice - esp. if you are already using TS/JS.

https://github.com/jetpack-io/tyson

[–] greysemanticist@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Might be somewhat partial to CueLang but that needs an external tool to fiddle with.

I mostly use YAML or TOML depending on what's being configured.