Lemmy

You don't need more than one account. You just decide which instance you want an account on, then subscribe to all the topics you care about across multiple instances. I just think that generalist instances with thousands of local topics are unnecessary.

Why would you create a new account to browse the startrek dedicated instance instead of subscribing to the community that lives on their instance?

You don't have to sign up on multiple sites, you just subscribe to specific channels you care about from the site you signed up for. For instance, signing up to lemmy.ml's Politics, Lemmy.world's Tech, and fedia.io's Cats.

For instance, here's a link to !startrek@startrek.website that you can interact with and subscribe to from your Lemmy.ml account: https://lemmy.ml/c/startrek@startrek.website

You don't have to sign up to different instances. You can just join the sublemms and it will show up on your feed.

It's like having an email and signing up to different newsletters through other sites.

What you're describing sounds like topics or tags, which have been requested a couple of times to both Lemmy's devs and KBin's devs, and both have just about said if they do something like that it would be as a feature release after they hit 1.0.0 types of stability. The idea would be that you could post to a community on a server with some sort of tag or flag or something that another community or person might be interested in. I like to think of the Fediverse being a country, platforms as being metropolises, and servers as being the cities, suburbs, boroughs, and towns that make up that metropolis. So, what I'm using as a metaphor in this case is that !comics@lemmy.ml, !comics@kbin.social, and !Comics@chirp.social are all different comic book stores. You go, and you hang out at the comic book store that feels most comfortable to you, and that's your community. You all share comics there, but you don't hear about the comic book discussions happening in one of the other comic book stores unless you choose to go there (and you totally can!). The idea of topics or flags would act like a comic book convention. A lot more people will be there to discuss comics, though you won't know as many of the people there as you did at your home comic book store. The conversations will be busier, have more eyes on them, and won't be as intimate, but it will still be a valuable experience for many people. In fact. Both will be valuable experiences.

The Fediverse is designed less around durability of data, and more around curation of interaction. On Reddit, this was done by splintering communities in some really weird ways. For example, there was r/knives and r/knife_club. It wasn't immediately obvious which one was which and how they differentiated themselves. But they definitively had a different moderation style and character. You just had to invest yourself in finding out the history of both to figure out which you wanted to subscribe to. On the threadiverse, we can expect these moderation styles to express more on the server level than on the community level. For example, !politics@beehaw.org, !politics@lemmy.ml, !politics@kbin.social, and !politics@lemmy.nz all have RADICALLY different moderation styles and scopes. They're all about politics, but what you can expect from them is more communicated to you by the server they're in. The Beehaw one is going to have more discussion around how politics impact women, people of color, and the LGBTQ+ community based on that the server is explicitly set up to be a safe space for those groups. The Lemmy.ml one will have a more pro-authoritarian communism feel to it because that's what the moderators over there are all about. The kbin.social one will probably be the one that acts and behaves the most like r/politics worked, since that instance is seen as a general purpose instance good for most people, with a moderation style that fits the traditional mold of online forums. Finally, and this one's my favorite because it's communicated to you directly in the URL, the lemmy.nz one will be about New Zealand politics.

Whether all that about the servers being different is good or not is up to you to figure out for myself. Me, I like it because community moderation is critical to community curation, and the Fediverse gives you infinitely more flexibility at the administrator level to find what works for you than a centralized corporation ever could. At Reddit, the admins were the admins, and there was nothing you could do if they refused to step in to stop a Subreddit from breaking Reddit's site wide rules about gaming r/all to get more eyes on propaganda, and nothing you could do either if they banned a community that you felt was really valuable. Here, if you don't like how Beehaw is administered, don't join Beehaw.

With all of this said, reading through your comments, it sounds like you don't like that core concept and would prefer something like Nostr where anyone can post anything and anyone can see it and there's no moderation whatsoever. Unfortunately, there is not at present any kind of link aggregation or community curation aspect built on the Nostr protocol, and I'd have some serious concerns about how you would do that from a technical level. If you're dealing with an infinitely diverse network topology of peer to peer hosting, how are you going to define what the community is even about? If I create t/pocket_dumps, how do I ensure it stays on the topic of pulling everything out of your pocket and putting it on the table, instead of say, people pooping in pockets. Ultimately, if we leave it up to the user to define for themselves what a community should be or shouldn't be, they're going to spend all their time on the network playing a game of Whac-A-Mole blocking users who post material they don't want to see, trying to filter uncurated communities, and also dealing with the problem Nostr and SSB both have where it's REALLY hard to sign up.

Ultimately, where I land is that the threadiverse topographic landscape is intrinsically different from the Reddit one. It takes some getting used to, but I don't think you could make it more like Reddit without losing what makes the threadiverse special, or without significantly reducing the ease of adoption (which is already a common criticism anyway)

What you are describing is just a local cache of !lemmy@lemmy.ml on your instance and it works only if it has been populated before the downtime of lemmy.ml. If lemmy.ml never comes back to life nobody can post to !lemmy@lemmy.ml proper. All the communities on in would be dead.

Sorry, I edited my comment in the meantime. (Fixing broken grammar, linking the archives, stuff like this.) That said:

Then Lemmy is going to just beat repeat of voat

Not really. Even in worst case scenario (everyone migrates to a single instance), lemmy.ml is considerably wider in scope and userbase than the socially rejected in Voat.

And, while I do agree with you that there is a communication problem, and that it needs to be addressed, it is far from the worst case scenario. For example I consistently see here people from beehaw, lemmy.world, fedddit.de, and other instances.

Why is /c/ federation disabled by default.

Federation happens between instances, not between communities. You can access any community from a federated instance.

If federation is disabled by default (is it?), I think that this might have to do with spam and bot prevention. I'm not sure however.

Now, off-topic:

While I get that spending time in Reddit made us people behave less like decent human beings and more like dumbarses/redditors/morons, even then I think that we should watch out to not behave as such outside Reddit. Let its stupidity culture die with it.

From your comment, three things caught my attention:

• assuming that things that you don't understand "make no sense".
• lack of insight - why are you giving views to that shithole?
• decontextualisation - ipsis ungulis "Then read it locally with libreddit", letting the reader to guess what you're referring to. (I got it, but someone else 2m later won't).

Please, don't.

That's really interesting about the archive; it's surprisingly small. They must have combined repeated comments, which means there are about a dozen in total, along with some recycled Facebook memes. Now that I think about it, 2TB might be too big! ...I'm joking ;)

Just want to note that Voat was a right-wing hellhole by this point, and the vibe here is extremely different. I'd pulled out of Voat within a week, because the writing was on the wall; big wall, big writing. I'm curious what is making you feel that the Fediverse will be like Voat, because I'm not seeing it. I'm still new here, but it was really obvious on Voat, just a week in.

Now you have me worried that Reddit, in recent years, moved my Overton Window so far right that it no longer sticks out. Oh no.

What does scatter really mean in the threadiverse? You and me sit in different bars, and can communicate and see the same communities, so it doesn't really matter if we are "scattered" or all on the same instance, since we still see and can communicate on the same places.