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[–] SomeBoyo@feddit.de 96 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manjaro, because because the team behind it fuck's up a bit to often for my tastes. And Ubuntu, because they force snap onto their users.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I spent the last 10 mins reading all the comments and I think we managed to shit on all the distros available.
That's the Linux community I love, good job people <3

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

No one gets left behind

Akuna Matata or some shit

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[–] Lolors17@feddit.de 44 points 1 year ago

Ubuntu.It' went from a great beginner distro to a dumpster fire filled with snaps and telemetry.

[–] Stillhart@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Garuda. It feels like being inside a gaming rig full of blinking RGB lights. Way over the top with the "gamer aesthetic".

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Same reason but different vibe with Kali for me. I'm sure it's good for its intended purpose, but I get the feeling that there are many who install it in an attempt at being a kewl h4x0r. I used used Parrotsec for work for a while, and it's a lot less flamboyant about it.

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Arch, I want to get some work done not save 3 extra CPU cycles on boot.

[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] AzazariDanger@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I ran Gentoo for years. I run Arch now.

You're not wrong, lol.

'Course, I was running Gentoo when hardware was slow enough that you could see the real-time performance improvement from tailored compiles. Now shit's so fast that any gains are imperceptible by a human for day-to-day desktop usage. Arch can also be a bit of a time sink, I get it, especially setting it up takes time and thought. That's also why I like it, and always come back to it: I can set it up exactly how I want it, and it's really good at that. There's always weird shit that seems to happen to me when I try to remove Gnome in Ubuntu or other crazy shit that, yeah, everyone would tell you not to do, but Arch doesn't care. If I want combination of things, I can hunt for a distro that has it, or I can likely just set it up on Arch.

After setup, though, it's not any more effort to maintain than any other distro. shrug

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So what you're actually saying is: you don't like Arch because you don't want to take the time to learn how to use Arch.

(Which is fine)

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I don't want to use a kit/show car for commuting.

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[–] mister_monster@monero.town 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ubuntu, because of their shenanigans with ads in the OS, forcing snap and just generally demonstrating disdain for their userbase.

Manjaro for their office suite debacle, and general instability.

RHEL for their recent attempts to subvert GPL.

Debian because packages are never, ever, ever up to date.

Gentoo because any sane person would get sick of compiling.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I actually like Gentoo for the same reason you hate it. But I was a FreeBSD guy for around 10 years before migrating to linux, and I probably some long lasting damage still lingering from that era.

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[–] yum13241@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Manjaro, for its incompetence.

I don't hate Gentoo, but will never use it. I hate compiling.

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[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ubuntu - It was my first distro and I loved it for many years after 6.06. However, it slowly shifted from a very community focused distro ("Linux for human beings" was the original slogan) to a very corporate distro with lots of in-house bullshit, CLAs, and partially-closed projects that seems to focus on profit and business over actual human beings. I correlate this move to around the time when it became purple rather than brown. Snap sucks, Mir sucks, Unity sucks, integrating Amazon and music store paid bullshit sucks. Just no. Move to Debian.

Manjaro - It's Arch, but with incompetence!

Red Hat - Do you enjoy paying licensing fees for a Linux distro that very likely violates the open source licenses it uses? RHEL is for you! Just remember not to share the code! Sharing is most certainly NOT caring!

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manjaro because it is a bait and switch trap. Seems really polished and user friendly. You will find out eventually it is a system destroying time-bomb and a poorly managed project.

Ubuntu because snaps.

The rest are all pros and cons that are different strokes for different folks.

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[–] tekeous@apollo.town 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Fucking Arch and Arch people.

I don’t want to set up my whole shit manually from terminal, I want something that works. Go for help on the forums and they’re the most head up the ass unhelpful condescending clowns since Mac users. No, as it turns out, when my driver didn’t work and I asked for help, I do not know how to recompile my armpit hair from source. Bad suggestion.

EndeavourOS is what Arch should be.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Once upon a time I was into RC helicopters. This combined with working offshore as a bachelor and living in a tiny apartment with a jurassic era (but reliable) car meant that I had a pretty decent income and not a whole lot on which to spend it. So once in a while I visited my local RC store just to browse and chat with the people there and if I stumbled across something interesting I might buy it.

I was not that much into the building part of the helicopters, but I saw it as a means to an end. Something I had to do to be able to fly it. The flying part was the end.

One day I was visiting the store, this clerk I knew showed me this kit he had. Brand new, pre-assembled, perfect craftmanship had gone into putting the kit together. Governor controlling the engine, ability to negate the pitch, extra strong servo for the cyclic controls. She was a beauty, and if it wasn't for the fact that I was, at that point,saving up my money for something unrelated, I would've bought it.

"You guys pre-assemble kits now?" I asked out of curiosity. "Oh no, we don't have the time for that" the clerk replied. "But this one customer" he began "he buys new kits, builds them, and sells them back to us at a 10% loss"

My brain short circuited. Why?? The flying part was the reward. Why would you not fly it? Well, in retrospect I understand it. The guy liked building complex machines. He had no interest in flying the kits. He loved the building process and the craftmanship that went into it, and once he had assembled it as perfectly as could ever be done, he was finished with the kit, and on the lookout for something new. He had the time to do what he loved, so why not. Rumor has it that he could spend an entire day with a tachometer and an IR thermometer just to get the fuel mixture perfect, whereas I used to do that in 10 minutes and call it "good enough".

I never met the guy. But he sounds like an interesting character. If he ran Linux he'd be running arch. Not from the bragging rights, not for its usability, not for (insert common reason here). But simply because he loved the craftmanship that went into setting it up.

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[–] luap@apollo.town 18 points 1 year ago

This is such a weird take for me, and it's popular enough of a take that it makes it weirder.

Arch is, by default, a barebones distro. The whole point is you start from nothing with very few defaults and learn how to get everything up and running yourself.

Complaining that the way arch works sucks cos you don't want to do that is bizarre.

Imagine complaining that Linux From Scratch sucks cos you have to do it from scratch.

Endeavor OS exists, it's what Endeavor OS should be. You can just use it, no one will complain. The Arch folk might be less inclined to help with it, but that's why there are Endeavor OS folks to talk to.

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[–] conner5@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ubuntu, dont understand me wrong, the distro is nice but, canonical... My point because i dont like Ubuntu.

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wish Linux Devs help build and polish OS for Pinephone. I really want Linux to go mainstream. Tired of android and Apple.

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The issue is a lack of an app ecosystem with actual AAA apps.

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[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

ZorinOS, had lots of problems with it right out of the box that weren't present on any other mainstream distros I tried on the same hardware.

I didn′t like the look and feel either. For a distro that has a paid version, I would expect a very polished a premium feeling experience, but I didn't get that compared to all the mainstream free distros.

It was ultimately a dissapointing experience all around.

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[–] ReK_@lm.bittervets.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ubuntu. I can't stand the way Canonical always decides they know better than everyone else so they reinvent the wheel, only to abandon it two years later. Diversity is good but the history of Ubuntu is littered with garbage that was forced on users and then abandoned.

[–] maor@lemmy.org.il 11 points 1 year ago

I really liked unity 😞

[–] antony@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I can find faults in any of them, but mostly hate working with Redhat/CentOS/Fedora. Strongly prefer Debian over Ubuntu, and I strongly prefer Gentoo over Arch. SUSE is an unknown, not sure about that one.

I have a fondness for BSD, if that matters.

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[–] Defaced@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is gonna be an unpopular opinion, but Linux mint. It's great if you're just getting into Linux, it's absolutely terrible when you know what you're doing in Linux. The old package base and kernel just kills me sometimes. I get they want a stable base and use the lts versions of Ubuntu, but my goodness it's always so far behind it's not even worth using if you're on AMD. Thankfully they've realized this after so many years and are releasing an EDGE iso with updated packages and kernel and LMDE is getting a version upgrade.

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[–] Grangle1@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This thread has basically devolved into "Ubuntu hate circlejerk party", as expected. I guess I just hate the distro I've spent the majority of my time on Linux using getting constantly dunked on and am a bit sad watching its inevitable death by snap. (Insert Thanos meme here)

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ubuntu desktop version, it's slow and buggy and the devs push ads and snaps and other crap.

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[–] owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Out of all the distros that I've tried, probably Manjaro. The distro itself is ok, I don't like how kind of bloated the default installation is, but it's not too bad.

However what really pisses me off,among their numerous other controversies, was when they replaced perfectly functional open source apps with proprietary ones...twice. Though the former has since been reversed.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manjaro feels like a bit of a mess to me and always ends up with problems.

Ubuntu releases too many buggy updates and dumps their idiosyncratic tastes in software on everyone whether people like it or not.

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 year ago

I used Ubuntu for years, but the forcing of snap really killed it for me.

Ubuntu used to be synonymous with stability and compatibility. It was always a little bloated and slower than a bunch of others. But that was the price for stability....

It is probably still stable but compatibility has taken a back seat. This is what really annoyed me enough to switch.

I'm on Mint now, it is really nice. Flatpak is much better than Snap, my only real issue is the MASSIVE size of flatpak downloads.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anything that includes more software than necessary for the system I want. If I need Steam, I'm gonna install it myself.

That's why I don't run one of those many downstream distros that mainly change appearances or improve little things like GUI driver managers etc. For some people that's the reason to use those distros, I might just to look how they achieve the particular feature (e.g. skin, config).

But in general there aren't really distros I don't like, but many which I prefer. Debian, Fedora, Arch, NixOS are all great, especially the more community run distros.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hannah Montana for being so bloated

[–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

Hater. Hannah Montana Linux is a masterpiece

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[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I am growing to dislike Ubuntu.

Simply because its so old, that anytime I try to find a solution to a problem, I'm wading through 15 years of shit, 99% of which isnt relevant anymore due to age/depreciation.

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[–] somegeek@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ubuntu. It's violating many rules of freedom, and just isn't good. Their DE spins aren't good, snaps aren't good

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[–] happyhippo@feddit.it 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well look at that, no one seems to mention opensuse/Tumbleweed.

Great sign 👍🏻

Fedora also unscathed.

Two of my favorites, if not my absolute favorites.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago

For me it's Ubuntu. Whenever I tried it it was buggy and crashing. It kinda feels like Windows of GNU+Linux.

About Manjaro, I like it. I kinda feel sad seeing Manjaro get so much hate. The only thing I disliked was the accidental DDoS of AUR. But so far it's been working relatively well for me. I use Manjaro with Plasma.

And my favorite is Linux Mint. It just works, and it does so reliably. Also the Linux Mint community is really nice.

As such, I donated to Manjaro, Arch, and Linux Mint. Not much, but at least something.

[–] schaeferpp@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

For me, it's Ubuntu as well. Canonical continuously integrates stuff to make the whole distribution more complex and hard to maintain. Without going into much detail, Ubuntu always tries to do things where there is a good standardized way different. Why the heck do we need yet another containerized GUI application environment (I'm looking at you, Snap!); Why do you develop lxd, when there is systemd-nspawn, docker and podman?!

[–] meteokr@community.adiquaints.moe 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Of all the main stream distros, I never liked Arch. I've been a big fan of and have used Debian and Fedora for years for different uses, I love all the work openSuse does for their GUI configuration, and I respect Slackware and Gentoo for what they are, though I've never use them myself.

Arch always gave me the impression that its fiddly, fragile, and highly opinionated. I think the AUR is a bandaid; its explicitly not supported, yet everyone says its the best reason to use Arch. If I want packages built from source, it just seems that Gentoo does it native to the whole OS and package manager. Nix does too. If I wanted closed-source binaries, flatpak seems like the way the ecosystem is moving and is pretty seemless for my uses. Keeping them with static libraries independent of the OS makes sense to me for something like Spotify, especially since disk space concerns are irrelevant to me.

Opinions on and around Arch are everywhere, both good and bad. I just have never found a situation where I see any benefit to using Arch over Debian for its stability, Alpine for its size, Gentoo for its source building support, or Nix for its declarative approach. So I have grown to loathe its atmosphere.

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just the Oracle Red Hat clone, because, well, Oracle. Also those distros that disappear spontaneously because they were mainly maintained by one person only.

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