Star Trek

I'll say it, the adult gorn, in those space suits look awesome, I'm a sucker for more animalistic races in star trek

The more I think about the Chapel plot, the more I think it was a blunder.

If she survived the initial attack on the Cayuga, it's likely that others did, too - at the very least, it should give Spock a reason to look before hot-dropping the saucer onto the planet.

HOLY CRAP, I AM SO GLAD I WENT INTO THIS SPOILER FREE!!!1!

Someone posted earlier this week that it looked like Captain Batel was having a really bad day, and yup, she definitely was. My heart sank when she revealed the Gorn egg infestation. My money's on her being the sole "main" character casualty from the events of this episode.

I didn't know Scotty was going to show up so that was a total surprise. Finding out he was Pelia's perfect student who somehow flunked made all the sense in the world, ignoring the obvious small universe complaints.

I LOVED all the effects shots of the Cuyuga's debris field. I initially thought crashing the remains of the saucer section into the Gorn jammer was complete overkill, like throwing a dinner plate at a toothpick, but then realized the jammer must have been absolutely massive and far away from the settlement. It looked like it was relatively nearby upon initial viewing which didn't appear to be the case considering the explosion from when the saucer section hit it.

That cliffhanger, wow. I pray that they have the second half already written and aren't going to do like TNG and wait to write the conclusion. It was mentioned in the TNG Companion that the writers only wrote the first part of their season ending cliffhangers and waited until closer to filming to write and finalize the second part which doesn't seem like the best way to develop a strong resolution.

I love SNW so much. It's going to be an agonizing wait until the new season, probably 2025 at this point? Argh.

EDIT: I swear I didn't read any posts in this thread before posting my thoughts. I'm glad and amused to see we Trek fans had many of the same reactions!

I loved the colony design. It kinda makes sense. There's an endless number of planets out there, so why not found a colony for your weird LARP phantasies? "Hey, you wanna join my colony reminiscent of Victorian England? There'd be bustle skirts, butlers and bat'leths."

I had a feeling right from the urgency of the first minutes that they were setting this episode up as SNW's version of "The Best of Both Worlds". And the elements are certainly there. A superior enemy. A plan to fool them with technobabble. A crewmember held hostage -- just this time it's split up between Captain Batel being infected, and La'an, M'Benga and Kirk (and colonists) captured. And a cliffhanger. I had hoped that they wouldn't do cliffhangers in this show -- especially season-ending cliffhangers when we don't even know when the next season will air. (2025 maybe?) Or if they did it then at least do it DS9 style where it's more like a teaser of things to come instead of an actual cliffhanger.

Oh well, at least they didn't kill off Batel immediately, and I hope they won't do it in season 3. I'd like to see more of her and of her relationship with Pike because I think it's a really interesting relationship dynamic for a Starfleet captain to have a truly equal partner.

I'm not quite keen on the physics in this episode. Would the Gorn really be fooled by the Cayuga's saucer suddenly "naturally" accelerating towards the planet from the orbit of its moon? That already bugged me in Star Trek Into Darkness when the ship suddenly "fell" towards Earth. Yes, this is a Science Fiction show but they could really use a science advisor for this basic stuff.

Finally, I wonder if every season will bring in another TOS cast member, and who will be next. Sulu? (he'd be an astroscientist though, unless they ignore the 2nd TOS pilot episode) Cadet Chekov? Bones? Janice Rand?

This all sounds a bit negative but I actually enjoyed the episode. It wasn't the best episode of the season but still above average. I just hope that season 3 will come rather sooner than later.

A cliffhanger... I was hoping they wouldn't introduce those. I expect Sam and M'Benga will be the only one who makes it out alive... expecting to see Sulu and Chekov introduced soon.

Edit: Also the "They've been beamed up... by the gorn" and Pike standing there has the potential to be one of the most horrifying cliffhangers in Star Trek.

2nd Edit: Not Chekov....

Martin Quinn (Montgomery Scott) was reportedly born in Paisley, Scotland.

Dropping in to note that I’m feeling very smuggly self-satisfied that I decided not to completely abandon my alias when we migrated from the other place.

I guess that I must now become an unrepentant SNW Scotty stan. I look forward to seeing the character grow.

Anyone else notice that the 2 people on the shuttle down who didn't have plot armor (Ortegas and La’an) were wearing red shirts?

As I note in my annotations, I got very emotional whenever I heard them refer to Scotty as “Mr Scott”. Not sure why, it just sounded so right. When they said, “Thank you, Mr Scott,” I mentally added: “That’s something he’s going to get used to hearing over the years.”

The moment I heard Pike say he missed Batel and then praise Ortegas I immediately knew they were going to be placed in jeopardy and sure enough…

It was also immediately obvious when the Gorn youngling left Batel alone why it did so, so glad they didn’t string that out as some big mystery.

The colony design meant that filming exteriors was cheaper, I suppose. It’s the equivalent of building a gated community as a Ren Faire, though there’d definitely be a demand for it.

Wish they’d have given some hints to why that Gorn was on the Cayuga saucer, though. Why was it trying to access command level functions? Intel or something else? And how did it get there without Enterprise noticing or was it there before they arrived? Questions, questions…

At least Martin Quinn, who plays Scotty, is a Paisley boy like David Tennant and Steven Moffat, which means using his natural accent will be easier to make out, as the Paisley accent is less harsh than, say, a Glaswegian one. He’s a bit young for Scotty though, at 28. I’d always assumed Scotty was at least five to ten years older than Kirk.

Nice, fast moving action finale - but I echo the frustration at having this be a cliffhanger.

I agree with most people here. Great episode as long as you kinda ignore the fact that only Chapel survived in the saucer section and neither her nor Spock made any attempt to look for anyone else or even acknowledge it.

Rest of the episode I loved and I’m now just a bit sad we are going have to wait so long for the next series.

That being said, I absolutely support the strikes so I’m not complaining about the wait.

THOUGHTS AND OBSERVATIONS AS I WATCH:

• NOOO, I DON'T WANT THIS TO END!

• Previously: The various stuff happened.

• Oh, hey, Cayuga captains log.

• Nice of them to have a colony modeled after an Earth town. Saves on budget.

• "SIGNAL LOST." In space, a dropped call can mean only one thing: Invasion.

• Oh, we're doing the Independence Day thing?

• Telling a Starfleet captain to just do reconnaissance is basically telling them to go weapons free.

• Nice little tinge of one of the TOS scores at the end of the cold open. Someone more geekier than I can probably place it.

• If you ever feel like you are useless in life, just remember that there is a "skip intro" button during a "Space, the Final Frontier" monologue.

• Is the "Gorn Protocol" a hand-cannon with with a diamond?

• She flies the ship!

• I'd like to imagine there is a deleted scene where they glue every piece of junk they have onto the shuttle.

• If they're going to do a "is someone still alive in the wreckage" storyline, they probably should have flip-flopped Batel and Chapel's spots, given that we obviously know she's going to live.

• They keep giving Jenna Mitchell lines! FREE MITCHELL! Give that actreess a cast credit, cowards!

• Ah, a good old fashioned beam into the sky.

• Oh, look, a Gornzooky!

• And... vaporized.

• More Gornzookies!

• Oh my god, it's young Scotty. Hopefully this means Keenser is there. I always loved Keenser and his ability to sit on things he isn't supposed to.

• Doesn't seem like Keenser is there :(

• Of course Scotty would engineer a way to save people. He truly is a miracle worker.

• Smashing a piece of space debris is a very... brilliant idea.

• Pelia continuing to harass Una for her poor academics in engineering.

• Why do I get the feeling that whatever plan Spock has to put the rockets on the hull will also allow him to check for survivors?

• Wow, imagine that, Chapel is alive! Imagine that! Whoever would have thought! (Seriously they should have flip-flopped her and Batel if they were going to do this)

• USE THE MORSE, CHRISTINE!

• Oh, now she grabs the spacesuit. Although I guess she didn't need it yet.

• WARNING: GORNZOOKY

• COMMAND CODE INVALID'

• That looks like a bigger Gorn. An adult? Or at least like a teenager.

• So incredibly Alien.

• "GET YOUR HANDS OFF HIM, YOU BITCH!"

• Oh shit, she's been impregnated with gornzookies. A very zombie movie trope.

• "There'll be time later." Before or after you get engaged to Dr. Korby?

• "We need to abort some Gornzookies."

• Yeah, Scotty would be a shitty student despite being brilliant.

• OH FUCK THE GORN KIDNAPPED THEM

• TO BE CONTINUED?!?!!?! Okay, who wants to drive to Hollywood and personally beat up some billionaires? I want this strike over NOW and I want a conclusion WITHIN A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF MAX!

Uggggh, not a cliffhanger!!! Damn them! Ok, how long till season 03?

They did it again TOS purists

On the whole a solid episode and the Scott appearance was very surprising and well done.

However why the hell is Christine the only survivor on the cayuga, it makes no sense at all.

Also the fucking cliffhanger is ridiculous

Chapel: [restores life support on the saucer]

Spock: [straps rockets to the saucer and yeets it into a planet]

Chapel: surprisedpikachu.gif

My biggest gripe with this episode is

Some of the special effects for the gorn babies (especially the jump scare in the barbershop) were one plate of curry away from being right at home in 1980s Red Dwarf. Oh how I cringed!

But a great episode.

Scotty!

Playing it kinda like Simon pegg, Which is honestly great. Looking forward to seeing more tos characters introduced next season.

A lot to unpack here. Definite 'Best Of Both Worlds' vibes. Great end of season episode. Hopefully this time they have the resolution to the cliffhanger written.

I figured Batel would suffer the fate she did, even before the episode started. It was lazy writing that she should end up in the situation she did and so it happened. The writing team can and should do better than this.

Scotty appearing was a nice touch, and was well played by the actor. Given that Chapel is probably going to be rotated out for a while I think pairing him with Pelia for season 3 might be fun.

The Gorn were also well done, although the Aliens homages are getting tiresome and unless they are going completely retcon 'Arena' then there isn't a huge amount more than can be done with them. Thankfully so far they seem to using them sparingly. Hopefully they will move onto other TOS races in season 3. The Tholians, for example, have a unique feel and less alpha continuity to worry about.