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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 81 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When you can drive for more than a week straight and still be in the same country, needing to know other languages is a lower priority.

I think it's more related to the language importance than it's size. We have continental countries (Russia, Brazil, etc) that you can also drive for a week without leaving and learning English is important there.

If the world had chosen another language for communication probably US citizens would need to learn another language still.

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A low enough priority that the further I get in my efforts, the more it sinks in with me that I'm mostly wasting my time. It's a hobby more than a skill.

My attempts to learn my family's native language have hit a roadblock: now that I have a handle on the grammar, there is no one for me to speak to. It's frankly pretty upsetting and I'm very discouraged about it.

You're required to know at least a workable amount of English in order to live and work here, so no matter where they were born, there is absolutely no one in what feels like this entire NW hemisphere that I do not already share a language with. And only one time have I ever known before they said. All other times, they've just happened to mention they're from there after I say something about learning it.

Most immigrants I've met are perfectly incognito, and they speak more than well enough for us to understand each other casually. The point of language is to communicate. Goal achieved.

Trying to find a language partner in this situation is proving not only impossible, it's nigh-pointless to even do unless you're bored. It's the same online — nearly everyone already shares a language with me, you'd never guess most of the time, and even country-specific subs sometimes post things in english.

There's literally no one for me to practice on and zero need to practice unless I feel like going halfway around the globe pretty often in order to make the effort worthwhile. At which point they will still speak to me in english unless I'm lost in the super rural areas, and I will simply cry.

I've come to accept that going overseas even once in my life is never going to happen. Europeans seem to vastly overestimate Americans ability to afford to do that. Even if we could, we still have an entire hemisphere to get through first. Which costs significantly less, is almost just as fun, and doesn't take multiple years of work for a skill you'll only ever use once.

[–] Dee@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

Europeans seem to vastly overestimate Americans ability to afford to do that.

This part, I'm struggling to stay afloat I can't splurge for a intercontinental trip. I can, however, drive my car for a day or less and be in a completely different biome/culture. Each state is essentially it's own country with it's own laws and cultures. An overarching American influence but each place is definitely unique to itself.

I like to learn a language not so much out of practicality though because you're right, we can speak to everyone here with English. I like to learn a language just for the mental benefits of training my brain and learning more about another culture.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago

Also when you genocided the indigenous people so hard you never needed to adopt any loan words from the native language.

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

we insert token Maori words at the beginning and end of our emails, that totally counts

[–] KernelAddict@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A lot of Americans in the south appear to speak Spanish from what I've noticed while traveling there.

[–] Frederic 4 points 1 year ago

Some Americans (upstate NY, VT) close to Québec speak some French too.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Half the south and the southwest used to be Spanish-owned. Hence all the spanish city names.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My relatives in australia speak english and a bit of german. They told me they had the choice to learn german or spanish in school.
But what is the point, other than you really want to learn a random language? I learned french, then english and later i had the opportunity to learn italian or spanish if i wanted to. But that's because these are the languages people speak here and the bordering countries. My relatives never used any of their german, except when they went to europe once.

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Being from East Germany I had Russian in school, can't speak, but I retained the ability to read kyrillian letters, come in handy sometimes, especially if there are phonetically similiar words.

[–] snaptastic 3 points 1 year ago

One reason is that it helps you to understand your native language better.

[–] Squids@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

In Australia I had the option to learn Japanese and then when I went over to Europe my school specifically had a Chinese option, both for "facilitating trade and future relations"

Ngl years later I kinda only use my Chinese skills when I'm at the Chinese market and I'm trying to find the right ingredients for something, and I reckon out of my entire class I probably benefited the most out of taking the language. It isn't the cultural trade exchange they were hoping for...but hey, it's pretty useful being able to correctly identify stuff when the English stickers they plaster on the label are vague at best and incorrect at worst

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Learning a language is good for your perspicacity in general. Like doing sudokus except it lets you read the news or poetry or something from another culture in its original form.

[–] Tasio@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Leo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well it depends, in my city in Colombia they pushed english a lot. Was also mandatory in my university in case your school was not bilingual. May be an oddity but you are certainly expected to learn it at some point to not fall behind in this globalized world. Also USA companies hire people cheaply across all industries and have common time zones, so it can be actually worth.

[–] Tasio@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, in mine too. But if you are not going to leave the continent or study it is not so necessary. I mean the reason I know English is just to look for knowledge.

Also as just @Badass_panda says, 3 languages in the whole hemisphere.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry, but you have a lot of places where different languages melt and mix, especially near Brazil. They don't speak Spanish there

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might be surprised. Half of us were either born overseas or had at least one parent born overseas. A little under a third of us have English as our second language. That doesn't mean that two thirds of us only speak English - only that English is our 'home' language.

I know there's a lot of multiculuralism in the USA also, but I don't know whether those percentages compare.

Source: https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/lookup/media%20release3

There are more Spanish speakers in America than Spain.

[–] red@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Australians? You mean upside down Americans?

[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I prefer to call them Bruce.

[–] GingeyBook@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Australians be like: dnS