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I hit my first instance of Meta blocking Canadian news content.

Rachael sent me a story from #CBCVancouver via Instagram messages.

The thumbnail is visible in messages (1), but when I click, I get the restricted message (2)

I wasnโ€™t following the CBCVancouver account, and when I search for and visit the profile, I get a different message (3)

I guess Rachael hasnโ€™t had this rolled out to her account yet.

Remember, there are no good guys in this #BillC18 debacle.

@canada

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[โ€“] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Remember, there are no good guys in this #BillC18 debacle.

We disagree on this point, I think the news orgs are the good guys.

Why? Because groups like Meta are profiting from scaping the site without compensation. It's not like Meta is simply showing the headline and thumbnail, they are showing some of the content from the article itself.

Meta's not giving free promotion, they are profiting off of the content of others.

Edit: it looks like the information that Facebook shows is consensual via "Open Graph"

[โ€“] festus@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The bill penalizes Meta even if they link but do zero scraping. Regardless though, news organizations can breathe a sigh of relief as Meta is terminating the totally one-sided relationship where only Meta benefited at news organizations' expense.

[โ€“] adespoton@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

Now if only more people would terminate their relationship with Meta and move to social media services where individuals have a say in how things are shared and monetized.

[โ€“] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

they are showing some of the content from the article itself.

They are showing the content found in the og:description meta tag, you mean. The "og" bit stands for Open Graph, which is a protocol developed by Facebook so that news sites can define the content they want Facebook to show.

If news sites don't want Facebook to display this information, they could stop providing it via Open Graph. Again, Open Graph was created exactly to give publishers control over what Facebook shows when linking to their resource. A quick check of the major sites in Canada reveals that Open Graph use is omnipresent and that they are quite welcoming of Facebook using their work.

Funny, that.

I wasn't aware of Open Graph, thanks for bringing it up

[โ€“] explodes@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

How do you feel about Lemmy bots that summarize articles in the comments?

[โ€“] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All news sites can be accessed directly without facebook. I quit both twitter and facebook but I never stopped reading the news.

[โ€“] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Itโ€™s actually a lot better to just go to the news sites. The algorithms basically only feed you the most outrageous of news, you really miss out on getting decent local news and those smaller stories that arenโ€™t rage bait.

Side note: Iโ€™m actually really disappointed in Apple News too as most of the stories are still ragebait with the titles truncated too short and you pay but get ads and still get only a limited set of news stories from any source.

[โ€“] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Itโ€™s actually a lot better to just go to the news sites.

Not true at all. Being from a small community, news is pretty well only reported by the local CTV news reporter. Said reporter was maintaining his own Facebook page, and through that I could zero in on his content that is relevant to where I live.

If I go to CTV directly, there is no way to get only the local news. It's mixed in with news about places hundreds of kilometres away. News about a place hundreds of kilometres away has little relevance to my life. If you dig deep you can find the local news somewhere in there, but unless you work as a full-time researcher, who has that kind of time?

Maybe said reporter will create his own website in the wake of this โ€“ but at the same time, maybe he doesn't have means to do so. There isn't a lot of money in being a small town reporter. Facebook made that accessible to most with little investment and to those with little technical knowhow.

Maybe CTV will smarten up and build a website that is more usable. But not likely, as why bother trying when you can just go crying to the government?

But as it stands right now, the only thing keeping us abreast in the local news is that he is posting to X. But presumably it will go the same way, or, more likely, end up bankrupt in the near future.

[โ€“] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ping him to start RSS/Mastodon/Lemmy, then?

[โ€“] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Then we're back to needing technical knowhow. These are not approachable services to the common man. Lemmy is hilariously unusable. Us nerds are willing to put up with it because it is something to geek out on, but why would a small town CTV reporter who has better things to do than fumble around on a computer all day? I'm sure he gets paid the same whether or not he markets his work independently of CTV.

Moreover, what's the point? Even if he has the technical knowhow, or is willing to put in the effort to gain it, the rest of the population doesn't. And they are going to care even less. It is not like news is exactly seen as being valuable. If it were, we wouldn't be here talking about how the news industry is suffering. If it is just for me, he may as well give me a phone call when he has something new to share.

[โ€“] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

He's a journalist, not some average Joe. Adapt or die.

[โ€“] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Thatโ€™s a good point, I live in a city which gets its own section (and even our local news is dwindling).

[โ€“] wrw@infosec.exchange 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@boris @canada

What I find especially amusing is that Facebook is blocking The Beaverton. Which says all sorts of uncomfortable things about their ability to discern between journalism and not-journalism.

[โ€“] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Facebook is blocking news, not journalism specifically.

[โ€“] gatesvp@mstdn.ca 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@EhForumUser @wrw

But The Beaverton isn't "news" either, it's literally fiction. If The Beaverton is "news", then so is some fanfiction blog with ads on it. So is every web comic.

Ultimately, it's really just that FB/Meta don't want to pay people for content. They want to get paid.

Categories like "journalism" or "news" are just BS terms used to cover what they're doing.

[โ€“] EhForumUser@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

The Beaverton is mostly based on the news, so one can glean what is news from that fiction.

[โ€“] SilentStorms@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Every article shared by The Beaverton is blocked on my feed now, which I think is hilarious.

[โ€“] MrFlagg@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

go to https://translate.google.ca/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites

put in the url and translate from english to english

put that url in fb

[โ€“] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this an image album?

It only displays one image (presumably the first one?) on Jerboa. If not for the (1)/(2)/(3) I'd have no idea.

[โ€“] boris@cosocial.ca 2 points 1 year ago

@Darkassassin07 itโ€™s a post from Mastodon cross-posted into Lemmy. Only the first image got captured.

You can see the original post here with all three images https://cosocial.ca/@boris/110851857883747625