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The creator of Pixelfed announced an upcoming encrypted messenger for the fediverse that will work across the fediverse (mastodon.social)
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URL seems to be wrong ... here's the correct URL

cross-posted from: https://merv.news/post/82405

It will be open source, end to end encrypted using Signal’s double ratchet encryption protocol, and he plans to make it easy for fediverse platforms to integrate it. The beta will release later this month.

He’s also the creator of https://fedidb.org btw

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[–] min_fapper@iusearchlinux.fyi 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's wrong with just using matrix?

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dunno TBH. It is apparently using the signal protocol, so there's that, and it's being spun out of pixelfed's own IM/DM feature, which is generally all over the place across the fediverse, so it all kinda makes sense I guess.

[–] min_fapper@iusearchlinux.fyi 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That doesn't mean anything. For example, WhatsApp is "using the signal protocol" but is very much a walled garden.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Sure ... it seems they were making a DM app for their platform and realised that it could be good as a standalone app.

Part of the picture for them is that pixelfed has started to experiment with transferable IDs or authentication, so that you can signup to pixelfed straight with a pre-existing mastodon account. It seems that want the same for this app. So the idea, I'm guessing, would be that if you want to start DMing with someone you know over the fediverse, you can go straight to this app, sign in straight away with your fediverse credentials, get your usual alias and find your friends with their same aliases. If true, I'd imagine that'd make it easier to sort side-load the app with any particular instance.

[–] featured@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you care about privacy and security, matrix has some glaring flaws. The biggest IMO is not currently encrypting metadata, so who you talk to and when is plaintext. The signal protocol encrypts everything, including the meta data.

[–] johntash@eviltoast.org 5 points 1 year ago

How does the server know who to deliver a message to if the metadata is encrypted?

[–] pkulak 3 points 1 year ago

I care about privacy and security so much that I don’t let a third-party own my chats, encrypted or not. I’m fine with unencrypted metadata on my server that’s in my own home.

[–] lps@masto.1146.nohost.me 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@featured
Better yet, check out simplex chat https://simplex.chat/
It's the best of all...user friendly as well:)

@min_fapper

[–] imattau@dcentralisedmedia.com 1 points 1 year ago

@lps

And it appears to have support on @yunohost - So self hosting should be easy 👍
@featured @min_fapper

[–] thomcat@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

That's just privacy, not security.

[–] OneRedFox 3 points 1 year ago

Sounds interesting. I'll be sure to keep an eye on how it plays out.