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@Alextheacceptable In Germany, there are lawyers specialised on torrents. They collect German IPs from the peers list and mass-sue them over distributing copyrighted material. They always ask for a settlement payment of more than 5000€. It can usually be escaped by taking it to court, but I recommend not going through that.
So, depends on your location. Over here, download one movie without a VPN and you have a shit ton of legal crap coming your way.
Makes me think... if you exclusively use IPv6 you might be fine because they can't geolocate you that easily 🤔
I live in 3rd world country where the government doesn't care much about torrent/piracy too. So far there's no problem.
I guess it depends more on the country you live. If nobody is using VPN, you will probably be fine.
Do you live in a country where the authorities are taking action against torrenting? Yes, you should absolutely be using a VPN, because otherwise you're presenting your identity on a silver platter.
Do you live in a country where the authorities don't give a fuck? Then no, a VPN won't be necessary.
I've always seen this as a question of risk. What you're asking is the digital equivalent to "Do I really need to wear my seatbelt when driving?"
You can drive around your car two hours a day, every day, without a seatbelt, and be fine for years. You can say you live in a calm neighborhood and say no one ever drives recklessly there. Everyone is still going to tell you to always wear your seatbelt.
You can be very careful about what you torrent. You could possibly torrent lots of things with no problems at all. All it takes is one person at one other endpoint grabbing your IP from one torrent and reporting, to cause a lot of problems.
It's up to you if you want to take that risk, but when you're asking for advice no one is ever going to tell you that you don't need one, and if they are they're probably giving bad advice. There are enough horror stories that many don't think it's worth the risk.
They don’t seem to care, but they collect data. So they don’t seem to care NOW. Always use a non-logging VPN.
Alternatively if price is an issue (NEVER use a “free” VPN) you could torrent over I2P, which is free and very safe (at least as safe as tor, if not moreso).
Also the next release of qbittorrent is about to have built in I2P support (but also standard I2P comes with its own torrenting software).
If you live in third world country then you definitely don't need one.
I see. Switzerland is now a "third world country".
I've been torrenting in the US for a decade and a half without a VPN, including as a kid on my parents network LOL, and only got warnings, maybe once every couple years. Tons of copyrighted materials. ATT then Charter, YMMV.
I live in India and here nobody cares what you do or download. I only use a VPN to access blocked sites.
What I've learned overtime is high profile things like movie releases will see a nice email from your ISP. Anime relating thing that are under the radar won't have much trouble. A little risky, but that what I've learned on that side.
You don't technically need a VPN for torrenting, but unless you live in a country that is known to not care about piracy, then you should use one.
I find that most VPNs are so heavily shilled that by that very nature, makes them suspect. Since the days of Napster, WinMX, Bearshare and the like, I've gotten exactly 2 "Hey, knock it off" letters from my ISP. And they were both from new-release, mouse-affiliated movie releases from a public tracker.
Get in with some of the private trackers and 99.9% of the worry disappears. Try not to upload terabytes of data, and the majority of ISPs (I mean, two of the 3 that seem to have the monopolies at least) wont even bother sending the notices.
Totally doesn't take "terabytes of data". I'm in the US, and one time I got a notice from my ISP (Comcast) for a file that took all of 7 seconds to download. It was an episode of an HBO show so no mouse affiliation, and also pretty sure I was using a private tracker (can't remember exactly, though, since it's probably been 10 years, and I've been using a VPN ever since).
"pretty sure I was on a private tracker" - well there's your problem right there. You probably weren't. Not saying that you're lying or the like, but just so we're clear, Im differentiating between "Demonoid private" wherein everybody could create an account damned near whenever, and "UHD private" wherein it relies on a system of invites and/or interviews.
Hell I got one from a 90's tv show, they are in torrents where you least expect them
It depends very much on the copyright laws on where you live. You said you don't live in the US, which already makes you better off than a lot of people here -However, Europe also has very strict © laws. So it is always recommended.
In France it is not very necessary, the hadopi will send you warnings. You need to stop at least 6 month after you receive a mail warning.
Then you are good to go.
I use stremio for ages without any problems.
Still i recommend vpn usage for torrents. You can share accounts with multiple persons to lower the price.
In Belgium, I torrented for a decade when I was younger, and I recently (about a year ago) switched back to torrenting as streaming services get more fragmented and more expensive.
I've never had any letter or email from anyone for torrenting. Some of my friends torrent much more than me and haven't either.
My coworkers from NL and UK are terrified of me even mentioning torrenting.
Hi country mate :), I am using protection, you never now..
Pedantically, it's not required, but it's probably a good idea to make your life easier.
I think it depends on the country. In the US, ISPs tend to be fairly strict so using a VPN is necessary (at least with Comcast). After 6-7 DMCAs, I've heard of people getting their accounts and service terminated. Best to use one and not take the chance with them. With 3rd world countries, most ISPs don't care about DMCAs so I can see there not being a need to use one in those situations.
Wow times have changed for sure. This thread convinced me to get a VPN of some kind at least
Last time i did this, i got a nice email from my isp giving me a warning that they may turn off my internet.
VPNs are only really necessary if you use public trackers. Private trackers are generally viewed as small enough and not worth the bother by copyright holders to pursue. Like someone else said earlier, it’s a matter of risk. I tend to view private trackers, especially those seen as “elite” and difficult to enter as being very safe.
Would you mind expanding on public and private trackers, like ones you suggest and ones you avoid? I haven't torrented since 2009ish and am kind of lost in the landscape at the moment.
Private trackers tend to have better quality control and selection. They also have stricter rules about ratio, seeding, and behavior. An invite is required. Sometimes you can go through an interview process to get an invite. Usually once you get started in a decent private tracker you can get into others through recruitment. I won’t name names, but it’s not hard to find info.
i live in ny and i have gotten letters from spectrum in the past. havent gotten one since i went vpn (referral?) and seedbox. im not torrenting, as i am logging into the seeedbox (referral?) via ftp and transferring the files over that way. so far so good.
In the UK, torrent sites are blocked by the ISPs, so you would need a VPN to access the sites.
For a private tracker no, for public trackers it depends on your country. Some countries the worst you might get is an email or letter in the mail, other countries you will be sued. I even use a VPN for private trackers, let alone public trackers.
I would recommend using a VPN.
Why not get a seedbox? Most come with Plex and Jellyfin so you can stream the content of the seedbox. Also they generally provide VPNs.
Not necessary but really really really really recommended.
My country only sees an issue if I'm producing and sitributing pirated content and is really behind on digital laws, and mostly they dont give a fuck. In universities they encourage you to pirate books even show you how, especially with scientific papers and stuff, back when playstation games where only physical there where whole stores dedicated to selling pirated games. Latin america I guess. But on top of that VPNs are freaking expensive. Depends on your situation thou
It (possibly) adds a layer of security. Of course you're just passing your traffic through them. Should they get summoned to court or ordered they could turn over your information and show you were trafficking through them. I'd say to read into how your nation persecutes copyright. How strict are they, how often have people been legally attacked cause of it, etc. If you're in Japan for example, I'd say 100% use a VPN. Copyright is extremely serious there.
worst that can happen is your ISP sends you a letter to stop, then get a VPN.
If your ISP doesn't care then you are good.
yes. sorry. it's cheaper then buying countless games and software, whatever you use it for. think of it as getting a massive discount on things you'd have been forced to buy otherwise. overtime, you'd spend thousands of dollars in games, etc. VPN monthly cost is a small price to pay comparibly
Look, if you want peace of mind use it, but it is also true that you will most likely be fine with it.
I personally use NordVPN, and I have been always torrenting with pretty good speed. I am pretty sure there are cheaper alternatives.
Good luck to You. :-)
Just addressing the cost: Obviously cheap is a relative term depending on many factors, so I'm not going to say it's "cheap" but mullvad is $5 usd/month, which is the best deal I'm aware of, and the best VPN I've used.
You all seem to be starting from the basis that downloading a torrent is illegal. It is not, it is only distribution/upload that's an issue. If you behave as a leech and kill it after you're done the worst you're going to get is a complaining letter from your ISP.
I torrent without a VPN and haven't had a single email from my ISP, but I presume it's because I'm a business customer.