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[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jordan's Wheel of Time. Inside that massive stack of dead trees I think there might be a pretty decent trilogy struggling to get out, but I wasn't willing to read the rest of the stuff in order to find it. Dropped it somewhere around book four or five and never looked back.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It took me two years to finish the series, including a 6 months break during the slog, but I'm glad that I did. It is one of the most epic fantasy stories of all time. An absolute accomplishment.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I don't consider "long" to be either necessary or sufficient for something to be "epic"—long is just, well, long. When a narrative with a single continuous plot gets longer than half a million words, I start to suspect it needs a better editor. When it passes a million, I know it does. There were rumours as early as the publication of the third book that Jordan was padding the thing out in order to keep his cash cow going.

(Expecting more downvotes from this, so don't be shy—I can take it.)

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

He is excessively wordy, I can agree on that, especially when it comes to describing women's clothing. But the story itself and the world he created are also epic achievements. I think more people would get to experience the latter if he hadn't done the former.

[–] FullOfBallooons@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dropped WoT around the same spot. The story itself wasn't bad, but if I have to read about one more person straightening their skirt or tugging their braid I was going to explode.

[–] LoganNineFingers@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Ditto. Same spot, same issues.

[–] Panties@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Malazan probably. So many people love it, and it looked like something I'd like, I even had a friend also reading it with me. I wanted to like it so much. After one and half books, I realized I couldn't care less about what happened to any of the characters and I didn't understand anything about the magic stuff, so I stopped reading.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I tried six times to finish the first book and I couldn't. The tone is too dark, and the characters too unlikable. I didn't care what happened to anyone, and eventually stopped reading each time.

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[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Basically, title. On my side, it might be unpopular, but I was quite disappointed with the Mistborn Trilogy. The world is interesting, I like the concepts, but I could just not connect with the characters? I finished the first book and started the second but could not finish it.

[–] RudeGryphon@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

This is blasphemy. But I respect you for taking the risk in saying this.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you read way of kings? Different series, better characters

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know, I might give it a try later

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Way of Kings is incomparable. A shining achievement. Unfortunately each following book in the series gets worse, until the last one is just an overly long exposè on mental health problems.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've enjoyed the books, but they really seem that they need an aggressive editor. Being long for the sake of being long just doesn't work.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't realize how harsh my review sounded until re-reading it just now. I enjoyed the books too. Because the first one was so amazing, the rest were still good even though I felt like they got progressively worse with each book. I was pretty frustrated by the last one, and I was ready for it to end long before it did, but it was still entertaining. The series is a big achievement, it just needs tighter editing like you said, and I didn't enjoy the mental health exposè. I don't read fantasy to get messages about real world problems, I read fantasy to escape from the real world. All that said, I still strongly recommend WoK to people, I just let them decide on their own if they want to read any of the sequels.

[–] dresden@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try some of the other series by Sanderson, it was his first series, and not the best written. If you don't like his other work too, then maybe he just isn't for you.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] LoganNineFingers@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I found era 2 of mistborn to be way better. The same magic system I liked but now you add some modern guns/etc. The characters are way better imo.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I suppose it is the 3rd book in the Seeker series. The 2nd one was already not great, but the 3rd was an incomprehensible piece of trash, a waste of paper and ink. I have never read something so bad, before or after. Goodkind is crystal clear when writing out his rape fantasies, and blabbers incoherently for every other part of the book. I strongly dislike rape and torture themes, so there was nothing of value in the book for me. Years later when I read the Wheel of Time series, I discovered that Goodkind stole all of his ideas from Robert Jordan and then made them significantly worse. What a hack.

[–] hsl@wayfarershaven.eu 2 points 1 year ago

I tried to reread the books as an adult and was horrified that my younger self liked them so much. I must have glossed over so much.

[–] dresden@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago

They were one of my favourite series, probably because they were one of the first few epic fantasy I had read.

I blame it on my naivety.

[–] blueson@feddit.nu 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Wise mans fear. Jesus christ what a trainwreck.

Name of the wind has a lot of issues as well, but god damn I was hooked!

I am not even sad that the third book is probably never coming out, the second book killed all my interest.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Rothfus was like "meh, I'm already rich and famous, why struggle through a third book? I'm done!" Half of the 2nd book was stolen from Wheel of Time anyways.

[–] cdipierr 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Listen, if Rand had gone off to study the blade with lady sex-ninjas, I think I would remember!

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

His time with the Aiel was very similar to Rothfus' whatever the sex ninjas were called.

I really enjoyed Name of the Wind until about 3/4 of the way through and I sat back and though: Orphan kid, goes to magic school, has male and female friend classmates, one professor seems to not like him....holy shit, I'm reading a reimagining of fucking Harry Potter.

[–] degrix@lemmy.hqueue.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell. It just did not resonate with me in February slightest and didn’t get enjoyable until the final few chapters. I can appreciate it from a literary standpoint. The prose is lovely and the tone is spot on for what she was trying to achieve, but my goodness did I feel annoyed while making my way through it.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two I have to mention

The first book of Anthony Ryan's Raven's Shadow trilogy, Blood Song, is one of my favorite fantasy books. I just really liked it. The second book was OK, the third was an absolute train wreck. I would have preferred it to be unfinished. Huge disappointment for me.

The Lightbringer series by Brent weeks started off strong. The Black Prism was great in the magic system seemed unique. Second book was OK, good enough I was looking forward just enough to finish the trilogy. Then the third book didn't finish, so I figured he just stretched out the series to milk a few more dollars from the idea. Then the fourth was similar. I couldn't bring myself to care about the next book. Big disappointment.

HONORABLE MENTION: WoT. Made it to book 6 or 7 both times I've tried to read through them. Then the characters, the writing, everything, just starts to piss me off.

[–] dresden@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago

I am currently at Book 3 of Lightbringer, and feeling the same. Currently taking a break, will try to get back to it in a few months and see if I want to finish it or not.

Well, book 8-10 are considered to be a slog, IIRC, or was it 7-9? Well, something like that.

[–] RudeGryphon@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Night Angel trilogy. I got about half way into the 3rd book and realized I was just forcing myself to read it. The characters sucks. The MC was either OP or didn't know wtf to do. The authors description of women is mildly sexist. Every girl was some bombshell or ugly as a foot and their only relevance was to be some kind of sex symbol. The book series seems like a neckbeard's paradise

[–] dresden@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I felt a bit similar with The Lightbringer, just started book 3 couple of weeks back, I was enjoying the book when I was reading, but when I wasn't reading, I didn't want to start reading it. So, taking a break from the series, and reading some other books in the mean time. Will try to get back to it in a few months.

[–] RudeGryphon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Don't do it 😆. Just read something better. Like Brandon Sanderson or R A Salvatore or Terry Pratchett or..... Well I could go on but you get the idea.

[–] sonic_bubltea 1 points 1 year ago

Angel Mage by Garth Nix. I thought the concept sounded great, but the book fell flat for me.