for the planet, for the animals, for your own health: go vegan π±
this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2023
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Abstract (bold is mine):
Modelled dietary scenarios often fail to reflect true dietary practice and do not account for variation in the environmental burden of food due to sourcing and production methods. Here we link dietary data from a sample of 55,504 vegans, vegetarians, fish-eaters and meat-eaters with food-level data on greenhouse gas emissions, land use, water use, eutrophication risk and potential biodiversity loss from a review of 570 life-cycle assessments covering more than 38,000 farms in 119 countries. Our results include the variation in food production and sourcing that is observed in the review of life-cycle assessments. All environmental indicators showed a positive association with amounts of animal-based food consumed. Dietary impacts of vegans were 25.1% (95% uncertainty interval, 15.1β37.0%) of high meat-eaters (β₯100βg total meat consumed per day) for greenhouse gas emissions, 25.1% (7.1β44.5%) for land use, 46.4% (21.0β81.0%) for water use, 27.0% (19.4β40.4%) for eutrophication and 34.3% (12.0β65.3%) for biodiversity. At least 30% differences were found between low and high meat-eaters for most indicators. Despite substantial variation due to where and how food is produced, the relationship between environmental impact and animal-based food consumption is clear and should prompt the reduction of the latter.
TLDR: Eat less animal-based foods.
This is nothing new, we've known this for a long long time, go vegan.
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Anyone should be able to eat what he wants without other people questioning.
sure, hand over your kids. I'm hungry!
Come on XD
No I'm serious. Commit to your own ideology. I want to kill and eat your children, you're not allowed to judge me or try and stop me.
You guys are deturping the meaning of what i said. I intended regular food. You just want to play dumb...
Oh yeah, you can eat whatever fruit and veg you want that's no issue.
I agree. Ideally everyone would be free to eat ribeye everyday. Unfortunately we live in the real world where that's not possible. Cutting down meat consumption is the reasonable, economical choice. I still eat meat for sure, it tastes good. But in my daily life I've cut down significantly and saved money.
What if someone has money and doesn't vare about his health? Do you think is good to impose your choice upon others?
No I do not think it is right to impose choice on others and I never said as much. I believe people ought to be free to waste money if they so see fit. But when it comes to the collective level, we ought to be subsidizing sustainable agriculture and not corn and beef as we (USA) currently do. I.E. when it comes to policy the policy should be directed towards incentivizing people towards sustainability. This doesn't take away people's free choice to eat beef, it just means they do so on their own dollar and not the governments.
Since you mentioned sustainable agriculture i suggest you to read the book "everything i want to do is illegal by joel salatin". He is a pioneer on real substainable farming, but spoiler alert the government make his job super hard and really expensive because politics need to help the poor bilionaires that can't afford the 3rd yacht
@zShxck @tetraodon making something legal doesn't make it correct. For example legalizing dog meat for human consumption could be made legal
This is a poor example. In the West, we don't eat dog meat because of cultural reasons only. Other cultures consume dog and it's not different from eating e.g. pork.
What we're debating here is reducing consumption of animal products to reduce personal environmental impact. It's not about cultural taboos. It's about ethics and survival.
By the way, I respect vegans' choices but I'm not an advocate of veganism as I believe asking the public to completely give up all animal products is unrealistic.
@tetraodon you'll hear from the oil industry that quitting oil is unrealistic as well. You just say that because you're engulfed into the meat industry, but meat is not oxygen, it's not necessary to live
meat is not oxygen, itβs not necessary to live
I completely agree, but (most) people don't eat meat to survive. They do it for cultural and personal reasons which are often beyond negotiation.
Personally, I'm vegetarian for strictly environmental reasons. But I realize I'm a minority, and vegans are a minority within a minority.
And since not even able to wean off my wife off meat, I do not believe that vegans preaching can make humanity completely abandon animal products.
Bruh, i was talking about regular food. Never thought of that as a possibility
So all the people who downvoted me don't want freedom basically LMAO
Ah, yes. Freedom for me to do whatever I want without care for consequences, but not for thee, who dare criticize my harmful choices.
And this is, ladies and gentlemen, how a fascist thinks.
In my country we have a saying: "my freedom ends when your freedom starts"
@zShxck @tetraodon in my country we have another saying, if you're stupid but keep your mouth shut people might take you for intelligent
Then stop open your mouth
@zShxck eating meat does not give you freedom, it's an irresponsible habit since you and many others are polluting the planet. The problem is it's still not regulated. There will come a time when emissions will be taken seriously. Right now the younger ones will pay for your reckless actions.
My reckless action? Do you know me? I was ipotetical speaking. For your information i eat meat only once a week, sometimes twice and not because it is the right thing to do for a balanced diet or the planet but because i want to do so and that is none of your business.
@zShxck good for you. Btw I've been vegan for around 10 years and basically you don't need meat for a balanced diet, whatever that means, I find a vegan diet quite balanced
When emissions get regulated it will be everybodys business, so enjoy your meat while you can
Right.
This means that you're free to publicize your own stupidity as you're doing here, getting triggered by science.
But I am also free to make fun of your ignorant attitude.
Well english is not my first language, i didn't express my thoughts in the first comment like i wanted.
What i wanted to say in the first place is that of course having a balanced diet is the best, but no one should impose a balanced diet on other people. Take a random guy that he only want to eat meat or fish. No one should be able to force him into changing his diet.
@zShxck @tetraodon the problem is you're mixing up survival with capitalism. If you only have the option of eating fish bc you live in extremely poor conditions then eat fish, no choice unfortunately. If you live in a rich country, you earn big bucks and have the option of eating meat vs something else, the right thing to do is eating something else
Look. I posted a science article. The article claims that diets rich in animal products are bad for the environment. That is all. If you want to dispute this, please publish scientific literature proving the contrary.
We're not talking about balanced diets (by the way, very possible both in a vegetarian and a vegan regime).
Neither the article, me or any of the other commenters suggested that it should be illegal to eat whatever you want. I honestly have no idea where you got this impression.
Contrary to what you might have heard, environmentalists are not fascists.
This community is for those who care about the environment. If you don't care, if you care more about your steak than about a living planet, I don't know why you're here.
The right of future generations to live supercedes your right to chow down on meat
In my country, man with bigger gun has bigger freedom.