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People always talk about the oppression as ancient history, but it has been perpetual for many groups, not just limited to indigenous. Allotment ran until 1934, giving away native lands. After that they moved to Termination, where they tried to dissolve reservations and negate treaties.

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[–] TrontheTechie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Heard a Catholic guy go all nuts about the fact that he had hard limits on the fish he could catch, but the Ojibwa could fish unlimited in their own sovereign lands. I tried for a few minutes to explain it’s their right they were given in recompense, and is hardly any compensation.

He just had to go on about liberals and eco terrorists and how they should be mad at Ojibwa fishing instead of the keystone pipeline.

There were too many things to unpack in that 2 minute conversation.

Btw, nice to see you in the wild outside of the folkpunk community!

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not even bothering to work out the logic, is he. If he did, he wouldn't have any right to be angry, and he really, really wants to be angry. Imagine some foreign government gracefully granting you the recognized right to fish in your own damn house.

[–] TrontheTechie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I didn’t realize at the time.

Same guy was memeing hard about election 2016 and how you’d never see a self respecting conservative throw a temper tantrum about losing, we fell out of contact by the time January 6th happened because he kept calling me nicknames alluding to various communist leaders.

That and the same tired “LGBTQMNOP Alphabet people” statement I’ve heard several times a week since ‘05.

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, trying to explain is understandable for anyone. A ton of people just really desperately need to be part of an exclusive group and wouldn't backtrack under torture. Because the main reason they even need in/out-groups at all is

A.) Community and belonging
B.) (in the extreme political cases) A sense of pride that's already propped up on a single wobbly stilt.

They'd lose that and all their friends at once. Admitting fault and seeing nuance both take an amount of character that would have made it unlikely for them to mindlessly join in like that in the first place, though I do have fragile hope.

I'm willing to bear a good bit as long as we're both decent towards each other in doing so, but idk how you stayed around him even that long. In no other circumstance would it be considered healthy to keep company with the same guy openly insulting you and everyone else at every turn, and there are reasons I'm not allowed at Thanksgiving anymore.

[–] TrontheTechie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They were my boss. We’d get out the kitchen and go to the bar next door. They weren’t as terrible as they could’ve been, but definitely one of those “I don’t care till it affects me” conservatives.

They let up on the alphabet people jokes after their kid came out, still not an ally.

Believe it or not I’ve had worse more conservative business owners in my career.

I just hope to one day be able to be in business for myself and to stop slaving away for someone else to gain more means to produce.

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've had a boss like that 😬
My condolences. Naturally, he'd only keep his mouth shut for fear of looking like an asshole to his own family. His kid must be "one of the good ones" /s

I'm just gonna redirect my efforts to animals. Cats don't do any of this to each other. Even bats will literally give their food to strangers if they appear to be starving. My cousin is less christian than a vampire bat.

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[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 2 points 1 year ago

Heyo! Just listened to some AJJ earlier today! Hey that rhymed!

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 16 points 1 year ago

You wanna hear something horrifying? No? Too bad!

The 3rd largest nuclear accident in human history happened on US soil, but it wasn't Three Mile Island. A tailings pond used by a United Nuclear Corporation uranium mill broke and released over 1,000 tons of nuclear material and nearly 100m gallons of contaminated water into the Puerco river and surrounding land.

The disaster happened in Church Rock, New Mexico a few months after TMI occurred, so it should have had national attention since nuclear accidents were still fresh in everyone's minds. However, most people don't know about it. Why? Because it happened next to a Navajo reservation, and the people primarily effected were Navajo. The US government pretended it didn't happen until the 1990s, and refused to clean it up until the early 2000s. In the meantime, cancer and diabetes have skyrocketed in a community without any genetic history of the diseases, the dust on the reservation has become contaminated and blown all over the place.

Oh yeah, and the UNC built another tailings pond, but this time they decided not to line it so now the groundwater is contaminated too.

Some more info here

[–] Chamomile@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

One big thing a lot of people in America dont know is how horrid of a person Abraham Lincoln was towards Native Americans.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israeli settlers when they see Palestinian villages be like:

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 8 points 1 year ago

Boers in South Africa when they saw pastoralists leaving lands fallow to ensure soil health:

[–] Hello_there@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The oldest federal park ranger in the US, who died recently, had a grandmother that was a slave.
We're just 2 generations away from 'ancient history'