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Hi sailors,

I'm trying to get into the habit of reading but books are often expensive and cumbersome. However I don't particularly like reading on my phone screen since I'll get distracted eventually.

So, e-readers seems to me a perfect fit. It's tech enough that I find it interesting. Not too expensive. Gorgeous paper white display.

So, essentially what I want to know is, which kindle (or other device) is best for cracking/exploiting/moding, and overall just your opinion on it.

Edit3: I've decided I'll buy a paperwhite kindle (2020 version). I found a 2nd hand one, like new, for 80€ with a screen protector + magnetic cover. This way I'm still not supporting amazon :)

Edit 2: I'm from the EU 🇪🇺 so, if you have EU specific tips it'd be great. Also my country doesn't really care about piracy so I'm not really worried about VPNs

Edit: I didn't expect so many people to reply! Thanks everyone!

Also I don't remember writing half of the things on this post? Might just install a monoxide detector... If some admin edited it, thanks. It's a lot clearer now, probably why it got so much traction.

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[–] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know this is the wrong /c/ for this, but.. your local library probably has tons of content you can check out on your Kindle for free.

[–] Waker@lemmy.pt 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seems like a good tip, but I'm from the EU so other than physical books and outdated PC's with dialup (okay, dialup might be going too far haha) I don't think there's anything else at the library here.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even german libraries have ebook lending. You should probably take another look at your local option

[–] Waker@lemmy.pt 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well Germany is pretty much one of the best examples on EU. If you said something like even Bulgaria has them I'd be surprised...

I'm from Portugal so I doubt we have those on the libraries. But, I'll have a look, I have a library 5mins away on foot.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You'd be surprised how ass backwards Germany is with elevtronic stuff...

Regarding e-lending: Surely depends on the local offers around you. Totally (sadly).

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[–] makeshiftreaper@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know this isn't what you're asking for but the kobo H2O is what I use and it's fantastic. It's not sucked into Amazon's shitty ecosystem and right out of the box it works for loading pirated content. I get all my books from the zlibrary onion site and you literally drag and drop files into the file folder. It's e-ink so the battery lasts forever, it gets super bright for outside reading, and it's waterproof. I can't speak to modding but I haven't bought a book since 2020 because of it and I honestly prefer it to most physical books at this point

[–] Waker@lemmy.pt 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't know about Kobo but apparently that model seems to be out of stock in the EU. Also the devices seem a bit more expensive than amazon's. Not sure if this is just amazon selling at a loss or that the quality or something might be better on the Kobo.

I'll have a look on the local 2nd hand market, maybe I'll have some luck.

[–] makeshiftreaper@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

From what I can tell the H20 is an older product that's been mostly replaced by the Libra 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon sold at a loss, breaking a kindle out of the Amazon ecosystem is more work than most people will do, so they end up being audible subscribers and buying books from Amazon. Personally I think they're worth the slightly higher price tag to avoid the headache but ultimately it's your money

[–] dewittlebook@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Second this! Also a fantastic resource is https://standardebooks.org/ They take public domain books and reformat them for ereading for free! You can download them in kobo specific formatting and it looks so good! Edit: auto correct and more details

[–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

You don't need to crack anything, pirate your ebooks (I've recently had good results from annas-archive.org for fiction books) and send them to kindle as personal documents.

[–] Murkhat@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After initially setting up your kindle, just keep it in airplane mode. Upload new books with calibre

[–] bet@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

If you skip updates long enough, someone might find a security hole, and if you've skipped the update that fixes it, you'll be able to jailbreak it, install koreader, read epubs without conversion, use the filesystem for ebook organization.

Also, you'll avoid advertisements, which Amazon is now pushing to the homescreens even of kindles that were bought with the extra-cost no-ads option.

[–] Waker@lemmy.pt 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you do it for privacy or just so that new updates don't break it?

[–] iamhangry@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Personally, I did it just to save battery. But recently I made the mistake to connect and it updated to an interface that I don’t like and the battery that was bad (it’s 7 years old) seems to be worst.

[–] Murkhat@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Privacy mainly

[–] brantes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can sideload on to any kindle.

Paperwhite (non-SE) is the version to go for. They go on sale every month or two, check camelcamelcamel.

https://singlelogin.re/
https://calibre-ebook.com/

Have fun.

[–] db2@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

I got an Oasis for not a lot from Woot.

[–] fluffman86@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Akshully, get the Paperwhite Kids. Like $10 more than the ad supported version, no ads, free cover/case, 2 year accidental protection warranty instead of just one year manufacturer warranty. Just be sure to cancel the free trial of the kids service.

[–] brantes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They just fixed this. They raised the price of the kids version, ads turn back on if you turn kids mode off.

[–] shiveyarbles 1 points 1 year ago

I just called Amazon and complained about the ads, they turned them off. I am Amazon prime though

[–] fluffman86@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, didn't realize this. I never connected mine to WiFi

[–] bugsmith@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Took me far too long to realize that there is a kids version of the kindle that you were talking about, and that you weren't just referring to other users as kids.

[–] DanTheMan827@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, buy the ad-supported version from a place other than Amazon, and tell Amazon you got it as a gift and would like to remove the ads.

There’s a non-zero chance the customer service will remove it free of charge because I don’t think it’s possible for someone to pay to remove the ads if it wasn’t purchased from Amazon directly.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is a great tip. I bought a used Voyage a couple years back and it wasn't even listed as ads-free. I had just planned on leaving it in airplane mode like my previous kindle, but was pleasantly surprised.

[–] discorayado_@feddit.cl 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Every single Kindle supports sideloading books via USB, or even, you can send non-legally obtained books OTA via the Amazon email on your kindle (yes, if you have a Amazon account you can have your device Linked to an @kindle.com mail address).

But, be worry about some issues. Be sideloading or emailing, Kindle devices natively don't support ePub books. So, if you sideload via USB you WILL need to convert the books to some format like .mobi or .azw3 to be able to read it on the Kindle.

On the other side, if you email the files, Amazon servers do the converting for you, so you can easily send epub files and the Kindle servers adjust the ebook, you just need to have your Kindle connected to WiFi.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

The only issue with emailing the files is you can't use custom covers with them. If that's not a concern, it's definitely the easier route.

[–] Waker@lemmy.pt 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've read that amazon is going to stop support mobi and just convert to epub. So eventually epub would be natively supported I guess?

[–] Jagget@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calibre can convert to *.kfx native Kindle format

[–] Waker@lemmy.pt 2 points 1 year ago

That's great news. Seems like I'll go the calibre route.

[–] Jagget@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

If using Calibre, I suggest convert your books into Kindle-native *KFX format. Also, filling out some metadata in Calibre even enables sync with Good Reads for sideloaded books

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[–] biddy@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

Yes, it's super easy. Amazon has an email address for your kindle, all you need to do is email the epub or pdf and it shows up on the kindle automatically. This is the first guide I found on Google. https://www.howtogeek.com/798894/how-to-transfer-epub-to-kindle/

[–] FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I own both a Kindle Basic 10 and a Kobo Clara HD.

Both devices can sideload books just fine out of the box, and you will be able to read them without having to do any hacks or jailbreaks. The easiest way to sideload and keep track of your books is using Calibre on a computer.

But I will say that the sideloading experience of the two devices are night and day.

Kindles are very clearly built to funnel you into the Amazon book store. Buying books from Amazon is smooth and easy.

For sideloading on Kindles you must convert to mobi, azw, azw3 or kfx. All of these have different feature support. So if you want Book covers, the updated layout engine and typesetting, then you must use kfx. But Calibre can't natively convert to kfx. So you will need to install amazons ebook previewer and a plugin in Calibre to make Calibre convert to kfx via the amazon ebook preview application. Each conversion takes roughly 2 minutes, and randomly fails for no apparent reason.

If you decide to use Kindles' email option for sideloading, then your books will be converted to mobi, so you lose out on a lot of features. And the kindle sees the books as documents, not books.

If you sideload with Calibre and try to upload books with book covers, then it will work fine, and for a couple of seconds after uploading the book it will work fine. Then the Kindle will realize that should definitely look up the book cover om Amazon, and if it finds the book if will overwrite your book cover, if not it will replace it with a blank page. You can then reconnect your Kindle to Calibre and Calibre will fix your book covers properly. But if your Kindle is able to look up the book on Amazon it will continue to overwrite your book cover.

Finally the organization of sideloaded books sucks on Kindle. If you sideload via email, then you can organized the books through Amazon's website. If you sideload with Calibre you can't, and your only option is to manually organized your books into folders on the device one by one. This is extremely slow and tedious.

Sideloading books on a Kobo can't be done via e-mail, but Kobo supports epub out of the box, which most ebook are. If you want the books to load and navigate faster, you can convert to kepub, this requires a plugin for Calibre, but no additional software. Each book conversion takes 2-3 seconds, and the book arrives on your Kobo with a functioning book cover, full functionality and zero fuss. Additionally Kobos automatically organize books into folders based on both author and series based on your metadata in Calibre, making it a breeze to organize your entire library on your computer and just transfer things, already organized, to your kobo. Kobos also has an additional section called "Collections" which you can map to any field in Calibre you like. I have mapped mine to a Genre field, but you could organize stuff by anything you want.

So if you are planning to primarily sideload books, I would strongly encourage you to look at a Kobo instead of a Kindle.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regarding the format of the files: Absolutely not true in my experience with a paperwhite.

Maybe it's model specific, maybe calibre takes care of it for me but I am sure that I sideloaded epubs and they worked fine. Both via Amazon e-mail and calibre.

[–] FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Amazon e-mail automatically converts to azw3, and Calibre also automatically converts to azw3 when transferring to a Kindle.

If you drag and drop the epub directly to the device it won't work.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I may be very well wrong but I believe to have dropped epubs directly after compiling some web novels myself.
But I probably misremember it and it was calibre doing the lifting.

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[–] DanTheMan827@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Calibre with the DeDRM plug-in, then “borrow” books from Overdrive.

Calibre can also convert other formats into the format used by Kindle.

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

You can use a kindle with non-drm ebooks without any major work, jailbreak and root not required, just drop them into the right folder on the device via USB, if they aren't supported then Calibre can convert them.

OR look at any of the dozens of non-kindle e-readers out there that are more open, Personally I have an Onyx Boox Note3, it's a bit older now but works beautifully for all formats of text, comics, manga, and as a general android tablet.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As others have mentioned, Kobo is a good device, especially if you use and are familiar with a Linux desktop and command line, as this can circumvent sign up while still getting updates. Discussed here:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171664

Then it's just a quick visit over to oceanofpdf (or wherever you can find pdf/epub books). Download book, mount the Kobo, copy the book file, unmount, and enjoy!

[–] tkohldesac@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I have a Kindle paperwhite without ads, worth paying extra imo. I use Calibre to convert any books I “find” to mobis and send via email through Calibre. I’ve also done this with manga and it’s been working well. Loves me my paperwhite.

[–] Landmammals@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Vpn, Calibre, and myanonymouse are all you need.

Maybe an oxford comma. Maybe not, it's your choice.

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[–] BlackRose@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago
[–] DarkTides@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

You only need calibre and it handles everything for you.

An issue you may run into is light gray font, which is easily solved

https://lemmy.world/post/1812376

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Owner of a paper white. I usually read manga so it's kinda cumbersome to export the pages from Tachiyomi and convert it into an ebook format.

To download ebooks I usually visit z-library or something similar. If it's not there: Time for research into the depths of the internet!

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