Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2023
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Yeah, I was thinking of Jabber as well, when I heard this. For a brief period everything was perfect. Facebook and Google were both using Jabber. And even WhatsApp was using it, I think. So if you had an account somewhere you could actually chat with all your friends, totally unimpeded.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
What do you mean?
Holy shit! Had no idea! Thanks, mate.
Common EU W
The EU really are the protectors of the free and open internet. Given the Republicans would kill any attempts to pass any regulations here in the States, we're basically reliant on the EU to save us. So thanks, guys :)
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They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.
Most Based answer.
I hate the fact the fact that for a large number of people, this will be how they will be introduced to the fediverse and their view of it will be tainted by Meta. I also dread seeing Meta spam in my federated timeline. And I also fear Meta building its own proprietary features on top of the ActivityPub protocol, making the content generated with them incompatible with independent clients, allowing Zuck to spread his monopoly to the fediverse as well.
They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go "Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$". Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg's gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.
I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.
π¨ DANGER! π¨
β¦That about sums up my feelings on this subject.
It's the old Microsoft strategy again - Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
They deserve a good boot up the arse before they put one up our's.
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Just block them from federating and move on.
Fuuuuuck no! This isn't actually happening right? This is just an idea I hope?
It's an easy fix. If an instance you're a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.
Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.
Give meta the boot
They what now? Wtf
Meta is developing a twitter like app called Threads which will implement ActivityPub.
It's hard for me to see anything good coming from this.
Lmao want nothing to do with them. One of the reasons Iβm here is to escape these dogshit corpos
I'd reaaally rather not have that happen.
For myself, I'm not a fan either. But I think it could be a very good thing for the fediverse (still not a fan of that word)
which, as I understand it, is all about choice: the ability to easily access content across the fediverse, with the ability to ignore it just as easily.
If it ends up breeding toxicity, then I'll block any subs, and possibly the whole instanceβ . And if it gets really bad, I'll just find a lemmy/mastodon/whatever instance that has defederated from them.
β Sounds like this maybe isn't possible yet, but is being looked at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397
I think @tchambers put it well on his Mastodon post: no need to preemptively block, but "stay vigilant with eyes wide open and a finger on the block button."
no need to preemptively block
I think this is like a Lucy and Charlie Brown trying to kick the football situation. How many times are we going to give capitalists who have shown their true colors over and over the benefit of the doubt and be shocked when they proceed to embrace, extend, and destroy?
It's not a preemptive block, it's a block based on a history of problematic actions.
Edit: Though idk if "blocking" them from making an instance is even an option. I expect a separate island of instances not federating with for-profit instances.
fuck that noise, absolutely do not federate with them
Meta is a corporation with a really horrible track record
and even if they didn't, it's still a corporation; it only cares for profit
I have very negative opinions on them joining
We would be opening the door to allow a large corporation to do what they've done with open source for a while. They'll privatize the public commons.
But all this work [GPL licensing] was ridiculed. Microsoft, through Github, Google and Apple pushed for MIT/BSD licensed software as the open source standard. This allowed them to use open source components within their proprietary closed products. They managed to make thousands of free software developers work freely for them. And they even received praise because, sometimes, they would hire one of those developers (like it was a "favour" to the community while it is simply business-wise to hire smart people working on critical components of your infrastructure instead of letting them work for free). The whole Google Summer of Code, for which I was a mentor multiple years, is just a cheap way to get unpaid volunteers mentor their future free or cheap workforce.
Our freedoms were taken away by proprietary software which is mostly coded by ourselves. For free. We spent our free time developing, debugging, testing software before handing them to corporations that we rever, hoping to maybe get a job offer or a small sponsorship from them. Without Non-copyleft Open Source, there would be no proprietary MacOS, OSX nor Android. There would be no Facebook, no Amazon. We created all the components of Frankensteinβs creature and handed them to the evil professor.
This article is actually pretty great.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-19-more-rms.html
And for emphasis:
We created all the components of Frankensteinβs creature and handed them to the evil professor.
News story I looked up. Fuck Meta and all the other money-sucking bastards that want to commodify every breath I take.
https://fediversereport.com/meta-plans-on-joining-the-fediverse-the-responses/
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I guess I'll just go back to reading books and watching movies full time.
Fuck all of those tech giants.
You could watch Foundation on Apple+...oh..
In general, it's great when companies embrace standards and open source. Though in the case of Microsoft, they just did it to gain the market share (embrace, extend, extinguish).
I'm under no illusion that they would be doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or desire to be compliant with standards.
But..i also don't think I can criticize them yet for wanting to do so.
Nope. Just nope. It'll be the death of the Fediverse.
Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.
My problem with that is then the fediverse doesn't grow, meta controls the largest instance, and they make money off any posts that go viral here. I have to disagree for those reasons. They can go.
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I think this is so interesting...
For a refreshing change, we have corporations coming to the users, not the other way around.
I'm deeply skeptical, but I'm glad communities and hubs have the power to block them outright.
To me it sounds like they are trying to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse. I wouldn't doubt if at first they adopted it with all the standards then started doing proprietary crap
I say we just don't allow them on most kbin/lemmy instances. Let the people decide what info is bullshit or not.
I'm trying to get away from Facebook and meta. I'd rather they weren't remotely near me at all
I don't know anything about it except for what you said, but yeah fuck them. I'd much rather donate my money (well, once I get a job that is) to a bunch of people to maintain a server and simply jump on another instance if anything weird happens than use another Meta's (or any other shitty corpo's) products
God fucking damn it. I wanted to get away from them.
To paraphrase from a bank robber - Meta is where the users are. If we want open source technology to grow, we need to have users. If you block Meta out of the gate, how do you get their users to transition? IMO, energy should be spent on strategizing how to get the users to transition to open source instances, not getting people riled up to block them immediately.
They can fuck right off.
All they'll do is centralize the decentralized.
Embrace, extend, extinguish
for anyone not familiar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
"Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE), also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate", is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors.
It's fine and good. Normalize federation
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