Kbin uses a completely different backend and is nicely optimised. The owner (Ernest) is also investing in server space to accommodate the higher user activity.
They might answer you themselves, I'm sure they're lurking here somewhere. 🙃
this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2023
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I presume you're talking about Lemmy from any of the different instances. If you're looking at local it's only going to show local posts and not "everywhere". Be warned though, currently there's a bug where when you do select "All" it updates with a pull from outside the instance very often, so much so that it can make reading and browsing difficult. That should be updated soon.
I mainly tried lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, beehaw.org and a few others. I did try them with and without "all" and it was cumbersome regardless. Either I was served posts with zero or negative upvotes that to me do not classify as "hot" or my feed did not update at all.
What's weird to me is that kbin.social was the only one I tried that was not affect by any of this strangeness.
Kbin and Lemmy are different frameworks and have been written using different languages. After some hiccups initially, kbin seem to be more stable than Lemmy right now, including when it comes to frontpage sorting. But both are pretty new and are actively being developed. You can expect these issues to be fixed soon as the devs push new updates.
It depends on what you mean by other servers…Lemmy instances? I haven’t seen any differences between kbin instances.
Kbin is entirely different software from Lemmy; it’s a completely different backend.
So that would be why it’s “better” in that regard than Lemmy instances. My understanding is that it’s a bug in Lemmy that will be fixed soon.
The “popping” of the feed in Lemmy is tied to their use of websockets instead of http. I believe the devs stated they’ll be moving off of websockets in the future.
Kbin is entirely different software from Lemmy; it’s a completely different backend.
Wow did not know that. So how can it interact with the lemmy instances if it's not running lemmy software?
Not only can this Reddit talk to that Reddit, it can also talk to the various Twitters, and YouTubes. Twitter can also talk to Instagram, Facebooks, and Goodreads, etc. That's the magic of the fediverse!
The ActivityPub protocol! It's how all these platforms talk to each other.
Because they use the same protocol: ActivityPub
For example, E-Mail gets send over the protocols pop3, smtp, imap. It doesn't matter if you use Outlook or Gmail for Android or whatever email program. They still send data to each other using these protocols. Therefor both know what to do with the information exchanged.
There is software that is completely different from Lemmy and Kbin which can still interact via the ActiviyPub protocol. For example Mastodon for Twitter-like mini blogs. Or PeerTube which is a video platform. Pixelfeed is an image sharing platform similar to Instagram and the like. But since they all use AcitvityPub you can interact, comment, vote etc. on these images and videos or mastodon posts here on Kbin or on Lemmy.
In theory this sounds great. But obviously the different software needs to have the backend and the UI to support these features.
To make it even more difficult to implement, all these different installations are spread over many different servers (= federation). Which all can have differences in their software again and different speed and rules about how often they synchronize their data, etc.
That's the magic of ActivityPub! It's the protocol that most of the fediverse is built on, and it lets users from completely different fediverse platforms share posts with each other. It's the special sauce that lets Mastodon, Lemmy, and kbin (and more!) work together
Via the ActivityPub protocol that fediverse software uses :)
Pretty cool stuff!
Kbin can also directly interact with Mastodon users and toots because of this. Kbin magazines can natively contain both “threads” from Kbin and Lemmy, and microblog “posts” from Kbin and Mastodon. (And other software depending how they map these features.)
It’s part of the fediverse, things like mastodon, pixelfed, lemmy, and kbin can communicate with each other because they all use activitypub. It’s a fun rabbit hole to explore if you have time
Yeah Lemmy instances. I thought kbin is also a Lemmy instances. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
You bet! The fediverse is definitely a confusing concept to wrap your head around the first time. And it doesn’t help that different software server instances don’t need to use a site name that specifies which software they are (like Beehaw, for example).
Have to agree that Kbin.social has more consistently given me content i'm interested in.
It's also nice that it doesn't do dynamic updates by default, so I can just look at what i'm interested in and refresh the page once I want to see new things.
I have an issue on Lemmy.world when I sort by Top-> day the top posts will be bumped down by brand new posts with 1 upvote, I assume people are instantly upvoting themselves and that's messing with something in the code
Different sorting algorithm? But yeah I agree, the hot feed on kbin feels more active with posts as new as 30 mins.
Sometimes I'm wrongly upvoted/downvoted the post when browsing through a very crowded lemmy instance. New posts like every minute lol