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Reading their rationale, yes, I think there's a very good chance they'll defederate kbin.social as well, sooner or later, regardless of how moderation here works.

#justfediversethings I guess.

I'm a Beehaw member; also a kbin member, but I wasn't able to get on here until tonight because it had been so laggy a few days ago that I'd given kbin up as unusable. To answer your question, I don't like it but I do understand it. It sounds from what they've said that they basically had no choice; they were overwhelmed.

That said, I'm now VERY glad that I have a kbin account. I just re-created my subscription list (including magazines from both of the banned instances) here. I just hope kbin isn't going to ban them too?

And just in case anyone is wondering: I expect to keep using both Beehaw and kbin (and my other Fediverse accounts, for that matter; I'm on Mastodon, BookWyrm, and Paper.wf). It's nice to have a low-stress refuge like Beehaw sometimes But I want to be able to access the whole wide world when I choose, too!

Most support it, although not all. They’ve been clear ask asking that they were trying to build a well-moderated space so it aligns With why most people are there - saw one person say that their first post had been hit by right-wing trolls from one of those instances, so if that’s happening then defederation makes sense.

From what I have read it was about the difficulty moderating such a large userbase which is perfectly reasonable. The great thing about Lemmy is that anyone who disagrees can start their own server and run it however they want.

@LollerCorleone What I understood was that the moderation was difficult now, due not only to the size of the instances but also with the fact that almost all the people were new and the communities are not stable yet.
Since they have a quite high moderation standard, I guess that now, with few resources and a fast grow, it is difficult to keep it. And this standard is a commitment to the own community, people joint the instance because of it.
Another issue to take in account is that the moderation tools are not enough to handle with the problems of big and heterogeneous social networks. If I understood, in Lemmy and Kbin the only possibilities are to be federated or not, but not something in between like in Mastodon (the silence option).

@Shortcake

They advertise themselves as a safe space.

being safe and being open are somewhat detrimental to each other.
They choose to be less open, to be more safe.

Fine by me, but I'd expect them to turn into a LGBTQIA+ (is that the current one?) echo chamber before long.
And maybe I'll be wrong, and that'll be fine too.

That’s the beauty of the Fediverse - everyone gets to make the rules for their own instance, and you choose the instance you want.

There will be widely federated instances, entirely private instances (I’m looking at one for our work intranet) and everything in between.

this comment about it is great: https://kbin.social/m/main@sh.itjust.works/t/22433/Beehaw-defederated-us#entry-comment-90015

"I think it's easy to take this personally but I think it's more about the moderation tools in Lemmy not being adequate at the moment so this is the best bandaid solution for now. We need to quickly put effort into developing better moderation tools like limiting other servers without fully defederating, limiting specific communities, forcing nsfw on communities/instances, proxying reports to origin servers so admins have better feedback on their instance user's bad behavior, and many other things if we want to prevent defederating like this from being the only option.

I think infighting about this decision and differing moderation styles instead of focusing together on moderation challenges and tooling deficiencies risks tearing the community / federation apart and is counterproductive to the goal of being better than reddit."

there will be growing pains.

If you are a subreddit drama enjoyer this exact sort of thing only adds more appeal to the fediverse.

Uh.. that's unfortunate because many will just interpret it as federation being bad

IRC networks sometimes split. That didn't mean that they didn't generally stay together. Just that there were several major networks and a some isolated servers.

Usenet, as far as I know, generally remained one network, but occasionally saw Usenet Death Penalties.

XMPP supports federation, but organization, like businesses, exist that choose to use isolated XMPP servers.

Moderators just carving out a chunk of the Fediverse for their users is just unacceptable.

The Fediverse is made up of independent websites, and the people who operate those websites have freedom of association.

Full stop.

Right, but how is it any different than half the users on a subreddit leaving and starting their own? People will always get together in groups and will always naturally begin to despise one another for whatever reason.

It sucks, but it’s just the way it is. If people don’t want to interact with one another, there’s no point in forcing them to do so.